<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
On 21 May 2014 12:28, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Olivier,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Some ISPs, in particular in developing countries find access to<br>
> resources to renew their (whole) infrastructure not as easy as<br>
> others.<br>
><br>
And what could be the cause?</p>
<p dir="ltr">> I prefer reasonably well functioning obsolete infrastructure to very<br>
> well functioning unavailable infrastructure.<br>
><br>
Are you saying this is the mindset of the African ISPs or the clients?</p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> The approach must be, even if extremely difficult to implement, do<br>
> find ways of upgrading infrastructure in a way that doesn't break<br>
> the bank :-)-O.<br>
><br>
Difficulty in implementation is not the problem. The effect on bank is ;)<br>
><br>
> This, however, and this is where I agree with you, violently :-)-O,<br>
> must not serve as an excuse for us lazy Africans begging for<br>
> handouts, again.<br>
><br>
At times I wonder why you say things this way. Even developed nations seeks for capacity building. If technical capacity is what is hindering some(which is not likely) then there is noting wrong about seeking help!<br>
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> Please note that I have CCed the AFRICANN list :-)-O<br>
><br>
Yeah and I have filleted out the list I think I don't currently belong to</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards<br>
> el<br>
><br>
> on 2014-05-21, 11:40 Michele Neylon - Blacknight said the following:<br>
> > Olivier<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > The problems are at two levels:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > 1- end user equipment<br>
> ><br>
> > 2 - network level<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > The network level issues *should* be addressed by most of the<br>
> > bigger ISPs and telcos, especially as so many of them have been<br>
> > rolling out newer services like 4G, fibre etc.,<br>
> ><br>
> > The "end user" bit, however, is a bit thornier. Any large ISP<br>
> > would have thousands of DSL modems, routers etc., that won't<br>
> > support IPv6 and probably can't be upgraded ..<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I know that in some countries ISPs have taken the lead, but<br>
> > unfortunately Ireland and several other countries aren't on that<br>
> > list<br>
> ><br>
> > Over here there is at present only one or two small commercial<br>
> > ISPs over native v6, all the others ran trials but never actually<br>
> > turned it on<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Michele<br>
> [...]<br>
> > *From:*Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>]<br>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
> > *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Technical issues<br>
> > *Subject:* Re: [technical-issues] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert<br>
> > -- Remaining IPv4 Addresses to be Redistributed to Regional Internet<br>
> > Registries | Address Redistribution Signals that IPv4 is Nearing Total<br>
> > Exhaustion<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Dear Michele,<br>
> ><br>
> > why? After all, aren't those ISPs which are lagging going to be<br>
> > suffering more than others by the lack of IPv4 addresses?<br>
> > Personally, I have no sympathy for ISPs that rely on an obsolete<br>
> > infrastructure due to their own lack of foresight.<br>
> > Kind regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Olivier<br>
> ><br>
> [...]<br>
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