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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>El,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I totally agree with you on this. That why I attached Dr. Steve Crocker post and the “about” IETF links to my message. While acknowledging the great work of our Af*, more efforts are needed to improve the participation (not by attending physical meetings) and contribution to the IETF as It was the spirit of the African Internet Standards Forum (<a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/events/african-internet-standards-forum">http://www.internetsociety.org/events/african-internet-standards-forum</a> ).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>African Engineers should learn more how to create rather than been “certified user”. Been a Cisco Certified Engineer is good but there is much more beyond…Learning how to create a router rather than how to use it. For information Cisco is one of the major sponsor of the IETF. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>May be African young engineers need mentorship on how to follow and participate in technical mailing lists? If yes, this should been done at the University and national levels. African universities should start be having good internal email systems to stimulate virtual discussions between students and lecturers and among students…Solutions and ideas for improvements are welcomed. As El. said, our house is really not in order (this is true for many African countries).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“If you are not strong locally, you will be empty globally” said Dr. Nii (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKAm5qgldE&feature=youtu.be">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKAm5qgldE&feature=youtu.be</a> )<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Victor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Optima","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=FR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span lang=FR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> africann-bounces@afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces@afrinic.net] <b>De la part de</b> Dr Eberhard W Lisse<br><b>Envoyé :</b> Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:47 AM<br><b>À :</b> AfrICANN list<br><b>Cc :</b> Deerhake Stephen<br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in London with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote participation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Well, the IETF's work is done on mailing list much more than on physical meetings. And there is (virtually) no contribution from Africa there.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is not the ITU or some other travel-talkshp, boys and girls, this is a pure meritocracy, zero tolerance for logorrhea or bovine manure.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It's not as bad as the linux kernel mailing list where Linus Torvalds takes names and uses my kind of language.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To the African "engineers" my advice would be to answer their email as as first step. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is *EXTREMELY* frustrating to try and correspond with African ccTLD managers even just to try and register a domain name or as in a current case I am trying assist with, to pay for renewals.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Our house is not in order.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>el<br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Sent from </span></span><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:50, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>sent from Google nexus 4<br>kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>On 1 Mar 2014 20:14, "Victor Ndonnang" <<a href="mailto:ndonnang@nvconsulting.biz">ndonnang@nvconsulting.biz</a>> wrote:<br>l<br>><br>> <br>><br>> There is a need of having more African engineers participating in such Internet technical structures…More about the IETF: <a href="http://www.ietf.org/about/">http://www.ietf.org/about/</a><br>><br>+1 hopefully the IETF will bring itself closer to Africa (to reduce cost of participation). Has any ietf held in Africa in recent time? Well we may argue that it may not receive participation even if it held; we may be surprised ;)<o:p></o:p></p><p>Cheers!<br>> <br>><br>> Best regards,<br>><br>> Victor.<br>><br>> <br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AfrICANN mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>