<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted">The subject in question goes beyond the consideration of the simple implementation of Internet exchange points (IXP).<div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0041262582"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div><br clear="none"><span class="yiv0041262582" id="yiv0041262582result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv0041262582hps">Few weeks ago</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">on this</span>
mailing list <span class="yiv0041262582hps">and</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">on the same subject</span><span>, some</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">demanded</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">the closing of the</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">debate</span><span class="yiv0041262582">, others had</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">said it was</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">a</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">nonsense</span><span>.</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">And now</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">they want to reduce</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">or</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">deflect</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">the debate</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">to the
question of</span> <span class="yiv0041262582hps">Internet exchange point</span><span class="yiv0041262582">.</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"><span class="yiv0041262582" id="yiv0041262582result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv0041262582"></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">An IXP is not sufficient to resolve the issues addressed by Angela Merkel (Germany) and Rousseff (Brasil)<span class="yiv0041262582" id="yiv0041262582result_box" lang="en"><span class="yiv0041262582">...<br clear="none"></span></span></div><div><br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">In
addition</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">the establishment</span> <span class="hps">of an IXP</span> <span class="hps">varies from one country</span> <span class="hps">to another.</span> <span class="hps">Sometimes</span> <span class="hps">it is the government</span><span>, sometimes it</span> <span class="hps">is deployed</span> <span class="hps">by associations.</span> <span class="hps">Also</span><span>, do</span> <span class="hps">not forget</span> <span class="hps">that joining</span> <span class="hps">an IXP</span> <span class="hps">is not mandatory</span><span class="">, etc.</span><span>.</span></span><br> </div><div>--
<br clear="none">Pierre Lotis NANKEP <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0041262582yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> Le Mercredi 19 février 2014 12h12, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> a écrit :<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv0041262582y_msg_container"><div class="yiv0041262582yqt9401862435" id="yiv0041262582yqt43512"><div id="yiv0041262582"><div><div>Well, I speak German, and I understand Mrs Merkel to be concerned with national or even European (Schengen, rather) traffic to no longer being routed via the US and/or the UK, for that matter. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I seem to
understand her not having an issue with traffic to foreign destinations being routed through wherever the infrastructure is fastest, cheapest, and in particular not
having issues with traffic to the US being routed through the US, or UK traffic through the UK, as she is not (so much) concerned with the internal affairs of these countries and the German constitution with its strong protection of privacy (even informational privacy) doesn't apply in these cases. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I haven't read the following, but I am absolutely certain that she has no issues with traffic from the US, UK or foreign countries to the US, UK or foreign countries being routed through European infrastructure, in particular if German Intelligence service can deeply inspect the traffic.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>So, what we are talking here is nothing but Internet Exchanges. Even if it is clear from the language she uses that she doesn't understand the finer points. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Though she clearly understands that there are voters who don't want their traffic to be
read.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Even former MPs and (subsequently former) Interior Ministers..</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>el</div><div><br clear="none">Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div><div class="yiv0041262582yqt2217123789" id="yiv0041262582yqt36367"><div><br clear="none">On Feb 19, 2014, at 12:02, Kivuva <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">What Merkel is talking about is very similar to Rousseff's a year ago.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>It has been debated before that balkanising the internet is no remedy to security problems and spying. </div><div>
<br clear="none"></div><div>Regards</div></div><div class="yiv0041262582gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">______________________<br clear="none">Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br clear="none">
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<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0041262582gmail_quote">On 18 February 2014 13:03, gandji francine <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gandjif@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gandjif@yahoo.com">gandjif@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv0041262582gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;"><div><span>+1</span></div><span class="yiv0041262582HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;">
<span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span>Francine GANDJI</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:25 PM, bouba <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:djamaab@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:djamaab@yahoo.fr">djamaab@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div><div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;">
<div><span>Interesting;</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;"><span lang="en"><br clear="none">
W<span>e</span> <span>africans it is better for us to stop </span></span><span lang="en"><span></span><span></span><span></span><span>bickering ourselves; lets consider </span><span>this possibility</span> <span>and above all</span> <span>prepare ourselves</span> <span>firmly on</span> <span>any</span> <span>event</span>/future of Internet <span>in order to exist</span> <span>and influence</span> <span>the debate</span> <span>instead of</span> <span>being followers.</span></span></div>
<div> </div><div><font>----<br clear="none">Djamaa BOUBA<br clear="none"></font></div><div style="display:block;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;">
<div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> Le Mardi 18 février 2014 20h35, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> a écrit :<br clear="none">
</font> </div> <div><div><div><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;">Let us discuss again the fragmentation of the Internet. <span lang="en"><span>Do</span> <span>not be afraid</span> <span>to face the reality</span> <span>of the future
...</span></span><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Where are our Internet Activists, and Fellowshippers?<br clear="none">What are your opinions on the current and upcoming developments?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
Happy reading :<br clear="none"><ol dir="ltr"><li><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26210053">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26210053</a></li><li><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/angela_merkel_eu_internet_nsa_us/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/angela_merkel_eu_internet_nsa_us/</a></li><li><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.france24.com/fr/20140217-angela-merkel-nsa-internet-europeen-espionnage-protection-donnees-personnelles-espionnage/">http://www.france24.com/fr/20140217-angela-merkel-nsa-internet-europeen-espionnage-protection-donnees-personnelles-espionnage/</a></li></ol><div><span lang="en"><span>Whether you</span> <span>want it</span> <span>or not,</span> <span>future generations</span> <span>will not
know</span> <span>the</span> <span>Internet</span> <span>as</span> <span>it exists today.</span> <span>Anyway</span><span>,</span> <span>enjoy</span> <span>the</span> <span>anarchic</span> <span>freedom</span> <span>that</span> <span>gives us the</span> <span>Internet</span> <span>today</span> <span>before</span> <span>things</span> <span>normalize</span><span>.</span></span></div>
<div> </div><div>--
<br clear="none">Pierre Lotis NANKEP
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<div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> Le Jeudi 6 février 2014 6h04, Mukom Akong T. <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com">mukom.tamon@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br clear="none">
</font> </div> <div><div><div><div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div>On 5 February 2014 16:28, Ben Akoh <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:me@benakoh.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:me@benakoh.com">me@benakoh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div>What is this deep seated desire to close dialogues? Where does it come from? It defies the very nature of Africans - our cultural fundamentals to dialogue until a resolution is reached, until out hearts' content. It violates the freedom of speech that we all subscribe to. Totally against our being. A dialogue, any dialogue should continue until we are satisfied. There are no gate keepers in traditional African dialogue settings. If you wish not to participate, just play the lurker. That is some form of expression too. </div>
</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br clear="none"></div><div>+1 Ben. Defending an open Internet by not tolerating discussion about an open Internet. What an incredible demonstration on openness!!</div>
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