<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>The lack of insight displayed here from somone having claimed per diems from ICANN/ccNSO for two years is pathetic.</div><div><br></div><div>el<br>-- <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "></span><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Sent from </span>Dr. Lisse's iPhone 5</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jan 7, 2013, at 0:37, Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hello there,<div><br></div><div>It is interesting to see how ccTLDs are managed 'for who' and by 'who' and in which country. Things are different as you look from one country to another. It all depends on the preparedness of the Government System or Communities.<div>
<br></div><div>One example which has not yet been mentioned is <.ng> after its management was 'returned' home and is under NITDA - which is a Nigerian Government Agency.</div><div><br></div><div>Any comments on this please?</div>
<div><br></div><div>This especially how the negotiations for the management of ccTLDs are handled or influenced where there is no National ICT Policy </div><div><br></div><div>That is all for now on this.</div><div><br></div>
<div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Yassin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 December 2012 15:46, McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
> Yes McTim,<br>
><br>
> I like your approach or your sugestion who is 100% business oriented...<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Not at all. My approach uses the Multistakeholder model, which<br>
ensures Civil society participation, government AND business.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<br>
> But unfortunately every thing will not be business oriented.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>I would hope not!<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> What do you call "country's Internet community"? How a such community is<br>
> created? Is it spontaneous? Who are those who make up this community? Who<br>
> are its leaders?<br>
<br>
</div>In every country it seems to be a bit different.<br>
<br>
In Kenya, where I lived most recently, it includes dozens of<br>
organisations from KictaNET to the<br>
Computer Society of Kenya to the local ISOC chapter.<br>
<br>
Recent successes there include the hosting of an IGF and an ICANN<br>
meeting with energy<br>
form many hundreds of folk coming together to plan, organise and stage<br>
successfull multistakeholder events.<br>
<br>
In Uganda, where I lived previously, there a smaller number of<br>
organisations that make up the Internet community.<br>
They include, but are not limited to the IXP folks, the Linux user<br>
Group, Uganda ICT Association and I-Network Uganda.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
><br>
> What means "public benefit"? Who better than the government can guarantee<br>
> the public interest?<br>
<br>
</div>The public itself! Rarely do governments act solely in the public<br>
interest, instead,<br>
they act in their own interests much of the time.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
><br>
> In fact, I think behind those who think like you, there are hidden or<br>
> unspoken ideas. Because you contradict yourself by saying:<br>
<br>
</div>I do not see a contradiction. Please point it out to me!<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 1. "Some of us do not believe that nation states should be sovereign over<br>
> "their ccTLD" ".<br>
> 2. "ccTLDs should be managed by a country's Internet community"<br>
> How sincerely believe that sovereignty is lost if the ccTLD is managed by a<br>
> true "country's Internet community"?<br>
<br>
</div>I can't parse this question.<br>
<br>
Do you mean how do I think soveriegnty is lost if a cctld is not<br>
managed by a nation state directly?<br>
I don't think it is. Most ccTLDs are not actually managed by a nation<br>
state themselves.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> If this is the case, then it means that the members of this so-called<br>
> national community is made up of yes-men folks, who serve the interests of<br>
> invisible people.<br>
<br>
</div>no in fact, it doesn't mean either of those things!<br>
<div class="im"><br>
This is also the case for many of our so-called ICT civil<br>
> society leaders in Africa...Who are Experts in Folloship.<br>
><br>
> How many are you in this list with the same opinion? It is always good to<br>
> know, this will allow me or us to assess the relevance and the foundations<br>
> of your thoughts.<br>
<br>
</div>Good question!<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">--<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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