<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Hello Adiel,</SPAN></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px; RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Thanks for your valuable comments... <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="898" Tc="null">Even if they arrive</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="899" Tc="null">late because</SPAN> <A href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN"><FONT><SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="900" Tc="null">voting</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="901" Tc="null">ends in</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="902" Tc="null">less than 24 hours</SPAN></FONT></A><SPAN closure_uid_kb9nv1="903" Tc="null">.</SPAN></SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><B style="RIGHT: auto">1rst set of questions : What is the purpurse [of this <A href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN"><FONT>poll</FONT></A>] ? Who is/is_not entitle to take the poll? How do you control that?</B> </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">I followed with great attention the discussions on this list. And it became very clear that there are differences on identity and authenticity of members.</DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Whereas AfrICANN is a completely open list so far, I consider it appropriate to seek the views of members to justify any future proposal of the redesign of this list. Given the context of the debates that are tense, I chose a way of anonymous voting based on conscience and morality of members (ethics).</DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9265" Tc="null">Also,</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9266" Tc="null">notice</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9267" Tc="null">that a link is</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9268" Tc="null">established</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9269" Tc="null">with the IP address</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9270" Tc="null">of the voter.</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9271" Tc="null">So you understand</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9272" Tc="null">that there is</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9273" Tc="null">no interest</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9274" Tc="null">for a member</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9275" Tc="null">to vote multiple times</SPAN> <SPAN class="hps atn" closure_uid_kb9nv1="9276" Tc="null">(</SPAN><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" closure_uid_kb9nv1="9277"
Tc="null">with his friends,</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9278" Tc="null">his dog and his</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null">cat).</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><B>1rst remark : ... not to be anonymous ...</B></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9688" Tc="null">What is the policy</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9689" Tc="null">implemented by</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9690" Tc="null">AfriNIC</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9691" Tc="null">for this to be</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9692" Tc="null">so? <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="10484" Tc="null">Honestly</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="10485" Tc="null">I do</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="10486" Tc="null">not know</SPAN><SPAN closure_uid_kb9nv1="10487" Tc="null">.</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="10488" Tc="null">Thank you for</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="10489" Tc="null">sharing</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="10490"
Tc="null">this policy</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="10491" Tc="null">with us.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"><B>2rd remark : ... to be taken only by people who have been on the list and/or active on it over the past minimum 2 years ...</B></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"><SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12568" Tc="null">Is</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12569" Tc="null">there</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12570" Tc="null">a</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12571" Tc="null">predefined</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12572" Tc="null">procedure</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12573" Tc="null">or</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12574" Tc="null">you just</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12575" Tc="null">make that decision</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12576" Tc="null">...</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12577" Tc="null">Or is it</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12578" Tc="null">a proposal?</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12579" Tc="null">In other words</SPAN><SPAN
closure_uid_kb9nv1="12580" Tc="null">, if I</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12581" Tc="null">understand correctly, you</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12582" Tc="null">are suggesting that</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12583" Tc="null">new members</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12584" Tc="null">take 2</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12585" Tc="null">years to observe</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="12586" Tc="null">before intervening</SPAN><SPAN closure_uid_kb9nv1="12587" Tc="null">?</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"><B>3rd remark : Trying to meet the above 2 points alone will make you quickly realise that the poll by itself is inappropriate to answer the question you are asking …</B></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"><SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13365" Tc="null">It's possible.</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13366" Tc="null">It is your</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13367" Tc="null">opinion</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13368" Tc="null">that</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13369" Tc="null">I respect</SPAN><SPAN closure_uid_kb9nv1="13370" Tc="null">.</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13371" Tc="null">What about the</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13372" Tc="null">26 members who</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13373" Tc="null">took the time</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13374" Tc="null">to give</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13375" Tc="null">their views</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="13376" Tc="null">by voting</SPAN><SPAN
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"></SPAN><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="9279" Tc="null"><B style="RIGHT: auto">4th remark : On a more general note, has it happened to any of you who are vehemently questioning the expertise of people ....</B></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14320" Tc="null">I</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14321" Tc="null">do not think</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14322" Tc="null">this remark</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14323" Tc="null">is addressed to me</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14324" Tc="null">personally ...</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14325" Tc="null">But</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14326" Tc="null">this</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14327" Tc="null">is not really</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14328" Tc="null">a bad idea</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14329" Tc="null">to ask</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14330" Tc="null">some</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14331" Tc="null">experts</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14332" Tc="null">to be</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><B>2nd set of question : ... ask yourself what is the genesis of this list? What was it purpose and objective?</B></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">This is what i knew about the AfrICANN list : "This list is a common area of discussion for the Internet community in Africa, and more precisely for those involved or willing to be involved in the ICANN processes."</DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14412" Tc="null">I do not know</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14413" Tc="null">if this has changed</SPAN><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" closure_uid_kb9nv1="14414" Tc="null">.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" closure_uid_kb9nv1="14414" Tc="null"><B style="RIGHT: auto">3rd question : Who came up with the idea and to achieve what?</B></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" closure_uid_kb9nv1="14414" Tc="null"><SPAN class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14605" Tc="null">I think</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14606" Tc="null">the </SPAN><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14607" Tc="null">answer is</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14608" Tc="null">at :</SPAN> <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" class=hps closure_uid_kb9nv1="14609" Tc="null"><A href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/africann/2007-March/author.html"><FONT>https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/africann/2007-March/author.html</FONT></A></SPAN><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" closure_uid_kb9nv1="14610" Tc="null">.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">I take this opportunity to congratulate the creators. However, it is not permit to a father or mother to kill or mistreat her baby. If this is the case, family members and neighbors will be forced to rescue the baby.</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><B>5th remark : I think trying to understand that a lone would have cut 90% of this never-ending loop of the debate that is going on for a while now</B></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Dear Adiel, I'm not the source of endless and meaningless debates that take place on this list ... This is also why <A href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN"><FONT>I suggested the vote</FONT></A>.</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Human work is never perfect. Improvement is a continuous and perpetual process.</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Thanks a lot for your valuable comments.</DIV>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto">--<BR>Pierre Lotis NANKEP</div>
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<DIV>Allow me to make few comments on this poll. What is it purpose? </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Who is/is_not entitle to take the poll? How do you control that? </DIV>
<DIV>For it to have the weight that you wish, it may has: </DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">1 - not to be anonymous - this list being an open forum of </DIV>
<DIV> discussion created specially with that intend. People </DIV>
<DIV> expressing opinion on how the list must be run should </DIV>
<DIV> be known and be able to transparently display their views.</DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">2 - to be taken only by people who have been on the list and/or </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"> active on it over the past minimum 2 years. (If I want the </DIV>
<DIV> result of the poll to go into a particular direction what </DIV>
<DIV> prevent me to request all my family, my dogs, my cats, </DIV>
<DIV> neighbours to take the poll and say what I want them to say?.</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Trying to meet the above 2 points alone will make you quickly </DIV>
<DIV>realise that the poll by itself is inappropriate to answer the </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">question you are asking … </DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">On a more general note, has it happened to any of you who are </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">vehemently questioning the expertise of people on the list and </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">trowing stones all over to ask yourself what is the genesis of </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">this list? What was it purpose and objective? Who came up with </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">the idea and to achieve what? I think trying to understand that </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">a lone would have cut 90% of this never-ending loop of the debate </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">that is going on for a while now.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks.</DIV>
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<DIV>- a.</DIV>
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<DIV>On 2012-12-30, at 11:09 AM, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<A href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR class=yiv263413142Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Poll on the question</SPAN> : <A href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Is it relevant to know who is who on the AfrICANN list?</SPAN></A><BR><BR><A href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Please click to express your own opinion</SPAN></A>... or <A href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN</A><BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Live result</SPAN> by December 30, 2012 (08:30 am GMT) :<BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Number of voters</SPAN> : 22 (+4)<BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Origin of voters</SPAN> :<BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">1. Cameroon (41.202.205.250)<BR>2. Gambia (212.60.65.174)<BR>3. USA
- New York - Holtsville (75.37.44.104)<BR>4. Japan (115.162.51.10)<BR>5. Malawi (41.78.59.20)<BR>6. Comoros (197.255.232.2)<BR>7. Kenya (197.176.11.64)<BR>8. Mauritius (197.225.46.34)<BR>9. United Kingdom (93.186.23.82)<BR>10. South Africa (41.244.138.47)<BR>11. Togo (41.207.184.25)<BR>12. Cameroon (41.202.201.63)<BR></SPAN>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: small">13. United Kingdom (93.186.31.85)</SPAN></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: small"></SPAN>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: small">14. Togo (41.207.171.105)</SPAN></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: small"></SPAN>
<DIV style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">15. Germany (78.41.227.84)<BR>16. Senegal (41.82.142.219)<BR>17. Uganda (41.202.233.177)<BR>18. Cameroon (</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><SPAN class=yiv263413142value>195.24.206.125</SPAN>)<BR>19. Nigeria (41.220.69.43) <BR>20. Mauritius (197.225.59.10) <BR>21. Switzerland (178.193.208.123)<BR>22. Nigeria (41.71.162.180)<BR></SPAN></DIV> <BR><A href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Please click to express your own opinion</SPAN></A>... or <A href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN</A><BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">The vote will end</SPAN></SPAN> by December 31, 2012, at 23H GMT. <SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Only 2 days left.</SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Thanks to those who already voted.</SPAN>.. <SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,191)"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN id=yiv263413142result_box lang=en class=yiv263413142short_text><SPAN class=yiv263413142hps>The results</SPAN> <SPAN class=yiv263413142hps>will be published</SPAN> <SPAN class=yiv263413142hps>on January</SPAN> 1rst, <SPAN class=yiv263413142hps>2013.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR>Let us be guided by ethics...<BR><BR>Salam.</DIV></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>AfrICANN mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</A><BR>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></div></body></html>