<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 2012-12-30, at 3:32 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Great and Lerato Ma can choose who she wants on the list...</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>If they (all of them) resubscribe and agree to abide by the etiquettes. <div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>What's wrong with requiring not to use a sock puppet and not to lie?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Nothing's wrong. Great suggestion for inclusion in the new etiquette. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>And what is wrong with exposing this?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Nothing's wrong. This has been exposed already. There is a need to move on. The suggestions in my previous email is one way of going forward. Feel free to suggest alternatives. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>el<br><br>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div><div><br>On Dec 30, 2012, at 23:18, Ben Akoh <<a href="mailto:me@benakoh.com">me@benakoh.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>The following steps may be required to bring sanity to this list:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Unsubscribe everyone. </div><div>2. Create a list etiquette (etiquette should contain dos and don'ts, including respect for others. I can volunteer to develop this and anyone that may be interested in doing so. List purpose and goals that Adiel suggested should be reiterated). </div><div>3. Create a new list with the same address. </div><div>4. Send etiquette to emails harvested from step 1. </div><div>6. Interested persons wanting to participate in wholesome, progressive discussions should subscribe to new list created in step 3. </div><div><br></div><div>I have studied several platforms/strategies/processes for public policy dialogue that lead towards substantive policy change. Online discussions is one useful and effective but not the only way. A toolkit describing other ways can be downloaded from here: <a href="http://www.iisd.org/publications/pub.aspx?pno=1619">http://www.iisd.org/publications/pub.aspx?pno=1619</a></div><div><br></div><div>If your response to my comments above would not profit anyone else, please direct it at me only. Save Africa's meager bandwidth. </div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes!<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 2012-12-30, at 2:50 PM, Adiel Akplogan <<a href="mailto:adiel@afrinic.net">adiel@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252">Hello Pierre,<div><br></div><div>Allow me to make few comments on this poll. What is it purpose? </div><div>Who is/is_not entitle to take the poll? How do you control that? </div><div>For it to have the weight that you wish, it may has: </div><div><br></div><div>1 - not to be anonymous - this list being an open forum of </div><div> discussion created specially with that intend. People </div><div> expressing opinion on how the list must be run should </div><div> be known and be able to transparently display their views.</div><div>2 - to be taken only by people who have been on the list and/or </div><div> active on it over the past minimum 2 years. (If I want the </div><div> result of the poll to go into a particular direction what </div><div> prevent me to request all my family, my dogs, my cats, </div><div> neighbours to take the poll and say what I want them to say?.</div><div><br></div><div>Trying to meet the above 2 points alone will make you quickly </div><div>realise that the poll by itself is inappropriate to answer the </div><div>question you are asking … </div><div><br></div><div>On a more general note, has it happened to any of you who are </div><div>vehemently questioning the expertise of people on the list and </div><div>trowing stones all over to ask yourself what is the genesis of </div><div>this list? What was it purpose and objective? Who came up with </div><div>the idea and to achieve what? I think trying to understand that </div><div>a lone would have cut 90% of this never-ending loop of the debate </div><div>that is going on for a while now.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>- a.</div><div><div><div>On 2012-12-30, at 11:09 AM, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; position: static; z-index: auto; "><span style="font-weight:bold;">Poll on the question</span> : <a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight:bold;">Is it relevant to know who is who on the AfrICANN list?</span></a><br><br><a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight:bold;">Please click to express your own opinion</span></a>... or <a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN</a><br><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Live result</span> by
December 30, 2012 (08:30 am GMT) :<br><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Number of
voters</span> : 22 (+4)<br><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Origin of voters</span> :<br><span style="font-size:13px;">1. Cameroon (41.202.205.250)<br>2. Gambia (212.60.65.174)<br>3. USA - New York - Holtsville (75.37.44.104)<br>4. Japan (115.162.51.10)<br>5. Malawi (41.78.59.20)<br>6. Comoros (197.255.232.2)<br>7. Kenya (197.176.11.64)<br>8. Mauritius (197.225.46.34)<br>9. United Kingdom (93.186.23.82)<br>10. South Africa (41.244.138.47)<br>11. Togo (41.207.184.25)<br>12. Cameroon (41.202.201.63)<br>
</span><div style="margin-bottom:0cm;"><span style="font-size:small;">13. United Kingdom (93.186.31.85)</span></div><span style="font-size:small;">
</span><div style="margin-bottom:0cm;"><span style="font-size:small;">14. Togo (41.207.171.105)</span></div><span style="font-size:small;">
</span><div style="margin-bottom:0cm;"><span style="font-size:13px;">15. Germany (78.41.227.84)<br>16. Senegal (41.82.142.219)<br>17. Uganda (41.202.233.177)<br>18. Cameroon (</span><span style="font-size:13px;"><span class="yiv330441033value">195.24.206.125</span>)<br>19. Nigeria (41.220.69.43) <br>20. Mauritius (197.225.59.10) <br>21. Switzerland (178.193.208.123)<br>22. Nigeria (41.71.162.180)<br></span></div>
<br><a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight:bold;">Please click to express your own opinion</span></a>... or <a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SKFJXJN</a><br><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="font-weight:bold;">The vote will end</span></span> by December 31, 2012, at 23H GMT. <span style="color:rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="font-weight:bold;">Only 2 days left.</span></span><br><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Thanks to those who already voted.</span>.. <span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 191);"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span id="yiv330441033result_box" class="yiv330441033short_text" lang="en"><span class="yiv330441033hps">The results</span> <span class="yiv330441033hps">will be published</span> <span class="yiv330441033hps">on January</span> 1rst, <span class="yiv330441033hps">2013.</span></span></span></span><br><br>Let us be
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