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<div>Thank you Dr Yassin</div>
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<div>There is a song I remember which said "you say it all when you say nothing at all"</div>
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<div>I will not pursue this question anymore I have my answer. I hope other listers also do. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Y Mshana2003 <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:42:28 +0000<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>, "<<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>" <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Sophiagate<br>
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<div>Dear Badru et al.
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<div>I would be honoured if your wish to give such power was what I wished for. No thanks pse dont give such power to affect progress on Africa development to which I m a stakeholder </div>
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<div>As for being a stakeholder of DCA ... that is your 'intepretation' and your generalization that "the rest of Africans are eager" to hear from me is not your right to say so since I did not see any Opinion Poll for that....or a few head count in this
list makes you say so. Big mistake of misinforming and forced representation which can be misleading. </div>
<div>After all, mine is only one voice so dont dwell on it ...unless you are seeking my advise on something else? I ll try my best to truthfully advise you based on my knowledge and understanding. </div>
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<div>There are bids being processed therefore do not temper with it by character assassinations and false moves which are now becoming a threat. I m not a process so just leave it. </div>
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<div>Merry Xmas and New Year:-)</div>
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<font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div>
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Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>With all Due respect Dr Yassin</div>
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<div>There is only one question to answer which all your peers are asking.</div>
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<div>When did you know lerato was sophia ??</div>
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<div>Many justifications for Lerato have been made and the perpetrator even posted some kind of apology on this list. And there some on the list prepared to forgive and forget. All people want to know as a key stakeholder in DCA did you Dr Yassin Mshana know
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<div>A very simple answer will move this discussion on. We all want to move on but as longer as you are insisting that there is this anti DCA underhand work going on we cannot as observers make a good judgement if you refrain from answering what is a very
simple question.</div>
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<div>Answer is either </div>
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<div>you also did not know (which we can understand since many list members fall into that category ) </div>
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<div>You knew all along that lerato was sophia. </div>
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<div>That is the simple question.</div>
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<div>Unfortunately failure to answer positively leaves us to make our own judgement on an issue which as you say is key for the community. We cannot start building trust if we still have these unknowns and your evasive responses do not help.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Y Mshana2003 <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"<<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:39:19 +0000<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>" <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>>, "<<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Sophiagate<br>
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<div>Dr I can understand your position and situation right now. .. You are trying to pull me towards your thinking which you know is not my way since this habit of 'gossiping' is not my style.
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<div>It seems to be difficult for you to Let the processes and lawyers do their job. I am not intending to mess with 'business' activities by engaging in any such discussions when Bids are being processed. </div>
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<div>Shall we show respect for once? That is maturity I think...</div>
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<div>Merry Xmas and Prosperoud 2013 everyone</div>
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<font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div>
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Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>No you don't want to answer because you can't.</div>
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<div>As well as the question when you knew of the Sophiagate...</div>
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On Dec 22, 2012, at 10:51, Y Mshana2003 <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello again Nigel,
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<div>I am happy to refer you to Google or Wikipedia for such public information- not for me to answer you .... and at what official capacity?</div>
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<div>Thats what I decided to call "High Class Rumouring" I do not wish to answer such legal questions since ICANN has all information and the Processes should be respected. </div>
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<div>Enjoy the Season one and all.. Yassin</div>
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Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">nigel@channelisles.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Not oops! I KNOW Uniforum is not a trust. That's exactly the point I was <br>
making.<br>
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So its ownership, and its nonprofit nature are all public. Anything I <br>
wanted to know, I could look up on the official register. (Actually, if <br>
I cared I'd probably just ask my goddaughter's father, but that's not <br>
the point).<br>
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A trust however, has trustees appointed by a trust deed (express trusts) <br>
or by operation of law (implied or constructive trusts)<br>
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So please answer my questions ** which are about the DCA Trust **<br>
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>> Who are the trustees?<br>
>> What is the proper law of the trust?<br>
>> Who are the beneficial owners?<br>
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Transparency requires it.<br>
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On 21/12/12 14:22, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>
> Thank you Nigel, but will you please read and analyse before jumping in<br>
> like that? Oops!<br>
> Of course, Uniforum is not a Trust -<br>
> Seasons greetings<br>
> Yassin<br>
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> On 21 December 2012 14:11, Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">nigel@channelisles.net</a><br>
> <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">mailto:nigel@channelisles.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> Uniforum is not a trust.<br>
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> Its corporate ownership is a matter of public record under the law<br>
> of the Republic of South Africa and can be looked up on the public<br>
> record.<br>
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> Trusts are not "in the public domain". In fact in my jurisdiction,<br>
> trusts are marketed precisely because of their secrecy.<br>
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> So, please, the following questions arise, in line with ICANN<br>
> Transparency Principles ..<br>
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> Who are the trustees?<br>
> What is the proper law of the trust?<br>
> Who are the beneficial owners?<br>
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> These questions must be answered, and in public, as otherwise DCA<br>
> Trust will autotmatically fail in its bid due to ICANN's<br>
> requirements to do due diligence on crime, terrorism and<br>
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> On 21/12/12 14:03, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>
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> Hi Calvin. It seems that you want to gossip..? in that case may<br>
> I ask<br>
> you, "Who is the beneficiary of Uniforum and who applied for<br>
> .africa?<br>
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> In addition who is the 'community' you refer to who want to know<br>
> about<br>
> the beneficiaries of DCA Trust which is not-for-profit? Is or<br>
> when did<br>
> the DCA Trust get out of the 'community' or maybe it is only<br>
> individual<br>
> perceptions....maybe?<br>
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> That is the kind of small talk I do not wish to engage in often<br>
> since<br>
> there information is in public domain and I would not like to<br>
> put my own<br>
> words in explaining.<br>
> Seasons Greetings<br>
> Yassin<br>
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> On 21 December 2012 05:11, Calvin Browne<br>
> <<a href="mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za">calvin@orange-tree.alt.za</a> <<a href="mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za">mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za</a>><br>
> <<a href="mailto:calvin@orange-tree.__alt.za">mailto:calvin@orange-tree.__alt.za</a><br>
> <<a href="mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za">mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za</a>>>> wrote:<br>
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> On 21/12/2012 00:27, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>
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> <SNIP><br>
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> The DCA Trust is not only for .africa gTLD Application<br>
> as it<br>
> seems to be deemed - there have been other<br>
> undertakings by DCA<br>
> that are being overlooked.<br>
> <SNIP><br>
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> Please share the trust deeds with the community so that the<br>
> community can see exactly who the beneficiaries of the<br>
> trust are.<br>
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> Sincerely<br>
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> --Calvin Browne<br>
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