<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>Dr I can understand your position and situation right now. .. You are trying to pull me towards your thinking which you know is not my way since this habit of 'gossiping' is not my style. <div><br></div><div>It seems to be difficult for you to Let the processes and lawyers do their job. I am not intending to mess with 'business' activities by engaging in any such discussions when Bids are being processed. </div><div><br></div><div>Shall we show respect for once? That is maturity I think...</div><div><br></div><div>Merry Xmas and Prosperoud 2013 everyone</div><div><div><br><br><font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div></div><br><br><br>Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:<br><br><br><div>No you don't want to answer because you can't.</div><div><br></div><div>As well as the question when you knew of the Sophiagate...</div><div><br></div><div>el<br><br>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div><div><br>On Dec 22, 2012, at 10:51, Y Mshana2003 <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hello again Nigel,<div><br></div><div>I am happy to refer you to Google or Wikipedia for such public information- not for me to answer you .... and at what official capacity?</div><div><br></div><div>Thats what I decided to call "High Class Rumouring" I do not wish to answer such legal questions since ICANN has all information and the Processes should be respected. </div><div><br></div><div>Enjoy the Season one and all.. Yassin</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><br><font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div></div><br><br><br>Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">nigel@channelisles.net</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>Not oops! I KNOW Uniforum is not a trust. That's exactly the point I was <br>making.<br><br>So its ownership, and its nonprofit nature are all public. Anything I <br>wanted to know, I could look up on the official register. (Actually, if <br>I cared I'd probably just ask my goddaughter's father, but that's not <br>the point).<br><br>A trust however, has trustees appointed by a trust deed (express trusts) <br>or by operation of law (implied or constructive trusts)<br><br>So please answer my questions ** which are about the DCA Trust **<br>.<br>>> Who are the trustees?<br>>> What is the proper law of the trust?<br>>> Who are the beneficial owners?<br><br>Transparency requires it.<br><br><br><br><br>On 21/12/12 14:22, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>> Thank you Nigel, but will you please read and analyse before jumping in<br>> like that? Oops!<br>> Of course, Uniforum is not a Trust -<br>> Seasons greetings<br>> Yassin<br>><br>> On 21 December 2012 14:11, Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">nigel@channelisles.net</a><br>> <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">mailto:nigel@channelisles.net</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Uniforum is not a trust.<br>><br>> Its corporate ownership is a matter of public record under the law<br>> of the Republic of South Africa and can be looked up on the public<br>> record.<br>><br>> Trusts are not "in the public domain". In fact in my jurisdiction,<br>> trusts are marketed precisely because of their secrecy.<br>><br>> So, please, the following questions arise, in line with ICANN<br>> Transparency Principles ..<br>><br>> Who are the trustees?<br>> What is the proper law of the trust?<br>> Who are the beneficial owners?<br>><br>> These questions must be answered, and in public, as otherwise DCA<br>> Trust will autotmatically fail in its bid due to ICANN's<br>> requirements to do due diligence on crime, terrorism and<br>> moneylaundering.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On 21/12/12 14:03, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>><br>> Hi Calvin. It seems that you want to gossip..? in that case may<br>> I ask<br>> you, "Who is the beneficiary of Uniforum and who applied for<br>> .africa?<br>><br>> In addition who is the 'community' you refer to who want to know<br>> about<br>> the beneficiaries of DCA Trust which is not-for-profit? Is or<br>> when did<br>> the DCA Trust get out of the 'community' or maybe it is only<br>> individual<br>> perceptions....maybe?<br>><br>> That is the kind of small talk I do not wish to engage in often<br>> since<br>> there information is in public domain and I would not like to<br>> put my own<br>> words in explaining.<br>> Seasons Greetings<br>> Yassin<br>><br>> On 21 December 2012 05:11, Calvin Browne<br>> <<a href="mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za">calvin@orange-tree.alt.za</a> <<a href="mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za">mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za</a>><br>> <mailto:calvin@orange-tree.__alt.za<br>> <<a href="mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za">mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za</a>>>> wrote:<br>><br>> On 21/12/2012 00:27, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>><br>> <SNIP><br>><br>><br>> The DCA Trust is not only for .africa gTLD Application<br>> as it<br>> seems to be deemed - there have been other<br>> undertakings by DCA<br>> that are being overlooked.<br>> <SNIP><br>><br>><br>> Please share the trust deeds with the community so that the<br>> community can see exactly who the beneficiaries of the<br>> trust are.<br>><br>> Sincerely<br>><br>> --Calvin Browne<br>><br>> ___________________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a>><br>> <<a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/____mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/____mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a>><br>> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a>>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> /*Independent Consultant*/<br>><br>> c/o DFID-Sierra Leone<br>> 5 Off Spur Road, Wilberforce<br>> Freetown,SIERRA LEONE<br>> Skype: yassinmshana1, Mobile:+23276926697 <tel:%2B23276926697>,<br>> Fax: (+232) 22235769 <tel:%28%2B232%29%2022235769><br>> *Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?*<br>> /"The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot<br>> read or/<br>> / write// but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin<br>> Toffler/<br>><br>><br>><br>> _________________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a>><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a>><br>><br>> _________________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a>><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> /*Independent Consultant*/<br>> c/o DFID-Sierra Leone<br>> 5 Off Spur Road, Wilberforce<br>> Freetown,SIERRA LEONE<br>> Skype: yassinmshana1, Mobile:+23276926697, Fax: (+232) 22235769<br>> *Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?*<br>> /"The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot read or/<br>> / write// but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin Toffler/<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>><br>_______________________________________________<br>AfrICANN mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>AfrICANN mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a></span><br></div></blockquote> </body>