<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>Hello again Nigel,<div><br></div><div>I am happy to refer you to Google or Wikipedia for such public information- not for me to answer you .... and at what official capacity?</div><div><br></div><div>Thats what I decided to call "High Class Rumouring" I do not wish to answer such legal questions since ICANN has all information and the Processes should be respected. </div><div><br></div><div>Enjoy the Season one and all.. Yassin</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><br><font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div></div><br><br><br>Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:<br><br><br>Not oops! I KNOW Uniforum is not a trust. That's exactly the point I was <br>making.<br><br>So its ownership, and its nonprofit nature are all public. Anything I <br>wanted to know, I could look up on the official register. (Actually, if <br>I cared I'd probably just ask my goddaughter's father, but that's not <br>the point).<br><br>A trust however, has trustees appointed by a trust deed (express trusts) <br>or by operation of law (implied or constructive trusts)<br><br>So please answer my questions ** which are about the DCA Trust **<br>.<br>>> Who are the trustees?<br>>> What is the proper law of the trust?<br>>> Who are the beneficial owners?<br><br>Transparency requires it.<br><br><br><br><br>On 21/12/12 14:22, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>> Thank you Nigel, but will you please read and analyse before jumping in<br>> like that? Oops!<br>> Of course, Uniforum is not a Trust -<br>> Seasons greetings<br>> Yassin<br>><br>> On 21 December 2012 14:11, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net<br>> <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:<br>><br>> Uniforum is not a trust.<br>><br>> Its corporate ownership is a matter of public record under the law<br>> of the Republic of South Africa and can be looked up on the public<br>> record.<br>><br>> Trusts are not "in the public domain". In fact in my jurisdiction,<br>> trusts are marketed precisely because of their secrecy.<br>><br>> So, please, the following questions arise, in line with ICANN<br>> Transparency Principles ..<br>><br>> Who are the trustees?<br>> What is the proper law of the trust?<br>> Who are the beneficial owners?<br>><br>> These questions must be answered, and in public, as otherwise DCA<br>> Trust will autotmatically fail in its bid due to ICANN's<br>> requirements to do due diligence on crime, terrorism and<br>> moneylaundering.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On 21/12/12 14:03, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>><br>> Hi Calvin. It seems that you want to gossip..? in that case may<br>> I ask<br>> you, "Who is the beneficiary of Uniforum and who applied for<br>> .africa?<br>><br>> In addition who is the 'community' you refer to who want to know<br>> about<br>> the beneficiaries of DCA Trust which is not-for-profit? Is or<br>> when did<br>> the DCA Trust get out of the 'community' or maybe it is only<br>> individual<br>> perceptions....maybe?<br>><br>> That is the kind of small talk I do not wish to engage in often<br>> since<br>> there information is in public domain and I would not like to<br>> put my own<br>> words in explaining.<br>> Seasons Greetings<br>> Yassin<br>><br>> On 21 December 2012 05:11, Calvin Browne<br>> <calvin@orange-tree.alt.za <mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za><br>> <mailto:calvin@orange-tree.__alt.za<br>> <mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za>>> wrote:<br>><br>> On 21/12/2012 00:27, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:<br>><br>> <SNIP><br>><br>><br>> The DCA Trust is not only for .africa gTLD Application<br>> as it<br>> seems to be deemed - there have been other<br>> undertakings by DCA<br>> that are being overlooked.<br>> <SNIP><br>><br>><br>> Please share the trust deeds with the community so that the<br>> community can see exactly who the beneficiaries of the<br>> trust are.<br>><br>> Sincerely<br>><br>> --Calvin Browne<br>><br>> ___________________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> AfrICANN@afrinic.net <mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net><br>> <mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net <mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net>><br>> https://lists.afrinic.net/____mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann><br>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> /*Independent Consultant*/<br>><br>> c/o DFID-Sierra Leone<br>> 5 Off Spur Road, Wilberforce<br>> Freetown,SIERRA LEONE<br>> Skype: yassinmshana1, Mobile:+23276926697 <tel:%2B23276926697>,<br>> Fax: (+232) 22235769 <tel:%28%2B232%29%2022235769><br>> *Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?*<br>> /"The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot<br>> read or/<br>> / write// but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin<br>> Toffler/<br>><br>><br>><br>> _________________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> AfrICANN@afrinic.net <mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net><br>> https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann><br>><br>> _________________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> AfrICANN@afrinic.net <mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net><br>> https://lists.afrinic.net/__mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> /*Independent Consultant*/<br>> c/o DFID-Sierra Leone<br>> 5 Off Spur Road, Wilberforce<br>> Freetown,SIERRA LEONE<br>> Skype: yassinmshana1, Mobile:+23276926697, Fax: (+232) 22235769<br>> *Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?*<br>> /"The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot read or/<br>> / write// but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin Toffler/<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>> AfrICANN@afrinic.net<br>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br>><br>_______________________________________________<br>AfrICANN mailing list<br>AfrICANN@afrinic.net<br>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann<br></body>