<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>I dont have to need to know someone or the other since I would like to focus on general issues that benefit us all- I will try so.</div>
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<div>I am not in the business of having to know someone before we angage nor am I in the defence or offence but try to observe some principles: Fairness, Truth and Developmental all based on Facts regardless of who said what,when....I would not doing anybody any favour or feel shy.</div>
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<div>Please let us focus on issues and not on personalities therefore nothing to clear.</div>
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<div>I have pointed out that this List is polluted we need to clean lies, misrepresentations and forceful hijaking of Africa. It looked dirty to me but kept my diplomatic approach to issues. If at all there is any issue of individuals - it will be a comparatively small matter compared to what has happened since the <.africa> and Africa Strategy Group started working on our behalf...</div>
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<div>I do not think that there is credible proof of Truth in everything said in this List - we just risk believe in what we read however manipulating it can be - that is the risk.</div>
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<div>Let the water flow down river - do not build a dam to try to stop all of it - a stream of fabrication will overflow the dam eventualy.</div>
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<div>Kind regards</div>
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<div>Yassin</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 December 2012 08:30, Badru Ntege <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>We are all very clear the difference between a prank and deception.</div>
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<div>A genuine prankster comes clean after getting you fooled and you all have a good laugh on the issue and move on. </div>
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<div>someone who might have hidden their identity for honest reasons would come clean and say ok ok you discovered that I'm using a pseudo name. i did this for these reasons. whether or not we agree with the reasons we would all move on and most probably continue dialogue with mutual respect.</div>
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<div>But someone who continues to deny and fails to proove the suggestion that they are hiding behind a pseudo name really fails to gain the society and community trust.</div>
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<div>And honestly I'm surprised that you are still defending this position. Please help clear this since you seem to know the two individuals i.e Ms Lerato Ma and Ms Sofia Bekele. </div>
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<div>we can then move the dialogue back to more important issues.</div>
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<div>regards</div>
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<div>On Dec 6, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>></div>
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<div>I could chose to use any photos in many subscriptions I may have..</div>
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<div>I can if I wish use any name etc.... for a particular reason that I may have eg most dignitaries may wish to be in the List but not to identified (I would if I was) to avoid being soaked with a large number of questions or requests.. I see nothing wrong with that. What matters as said is the 'content' which will be useful to the List.</div>
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<div>I sign with my full credentials in this list but I may have another identity....</div>
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<div>Will this Googling and High Class Gossio stop please? How do investigative journalists get information? To say the list... what about these radio JDs in Australia who pretended to be Her Majesty the Queen of UK who obtained private information by phone? Nothing will happen to them!! It is a game....</div>
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<div>There you go ..</div>
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<div>Yassin </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 December 2012 18:20, Gideon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com" target="_blank">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:0pt" class="MsoNormal">I believe you have recently appeared on this list just to support your version of .africa and not Africa.</p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:0pt" class="MsoNormal">Your history of contributions to this forum is name calling, harassments, character assassinations and unfounded allegations on people including calling Africans clueless.</p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:0pt" class="MsoNormal">As far as I am concerned and from the statistics that I read on you, you seem to be an unwelcome intruder and rather have a petition to get you removed from the list.</p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:0pt" class="MsoNormal">Gideon Rop</p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:0pt" class="MsoNormal">DotConnectAfrica</p>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:04:02 +0200<br>From: Ben Fuller <<a href="mailto:abutiben@gmail.com" target="_blank">abutiben@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] ITU<br>To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <CAHgkWgtJzdmwN+7n0ywY_krYMaiNnVrB4GFCQH88oPPK=<a href="mailto:usMZg@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">usMZg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>I think most of us who have been involved in the ICANN process would agree<br>that for all its imperfections and foibles (which I am sure we could<br>document into the early hours :-D) the ICANN model is moving along the path<br>
of inclusion, consultation and transparency. The ITU is responsible to<br>?????<br><br>Ben<br><br><br><br>On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:53 AM, SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net" target="_blank">sm@resistor.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> At 21:57 04-12-2012, Ben Fuller wrote:<br>>><br>>>> oppression. The new Y.2770 standard is entitled 'Requirements for deep<br>
>>> packet inspection in Next Generation Networks', and seeks to define an<br>>>> international standard for deep<br>>>><br>>><br>>> The web service at 2a00:7580:60:2141::12 is not accessible (re:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/workprog/wp_**item.aspx?isn=7082" target="_blank">www.itu.int/ITU-T/workprog/wp_**item.aspx?isn=7082</a><<a href="http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/workprog/wp_item.aspx?isn=7082" target="_blank">http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/workprog/wp_item.aspx?isn=7082</a>>).<br>
>><br>>> The future of internet :(<br>><br>><br>>> Regards,<br>>> -sm<br>>> ______________________________**_________________<br>>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" target="_blank">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br>
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>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> *Seun Ojedeji,<br>> Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>> web: <a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/" target="_blank">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br>
> Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B2348035233535" target="_blank" value="+2348035233535">+2348035233535</a><br>> **alt email: <<a href="http://goog_1872880453/" target="_blank">http://goog_1872880453</a>><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a>*<br>
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identity by Ms Bekele<br>To: "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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<br>Dear Dr,<br>we are not in the classroom so you came and tell this is ok this not. Who are you to do this kind of interrogation? policeman? you request that you remove someone (Bekele) of the mailing list?<br>Nonsense!<br>
You are said that you defend ".africa"? are you sure?!<br>I noticed that you enjoy distrat / or is this your goal here? are you charged to distract us or spy our views forinterests other than Africa!<br><br><br>
<br>----<br>Eng. Djamaa BOUBA<br>Director of Normalisation and Cooperation<br>National Agency for ICTs<br>Yaoundé-Cameroun<br>Email (Pro) : <a href="mailto:bouba@antic.cm" target="_blank">bouba@antic.cm</a><br>GSM : <a href="tel:%2B237%2077%2032%2046%2017" target="_blank" value="+23777324617">+237 77 32 46 17</a><br>
<br><br><br>________________________________<br> De : Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a>><br>À : "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Cc : "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>Envoyé le : Mercredi 5 décembre 2012 5h19<br>
Objet : [AfrICANN-discuss] deceptive use of a false on line identity by Ms Bekele<br><br><br>Oh, I see<br><br>Lying and committing criminal offenses to further Ms Bekele's goal (which I assume are DCA's bid for .Africa (<a href="http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/" target="_blank">http://www.dotconnectafrica.org</a>) are ok, but pointing this out is not?<br>
<br>But then you also advocate for government crontrol over top level domains as long as it not your own.<br><br>Entertaining...<br><br>el<br><br>-- <br><br>Sent from the iPhone of<br>Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse<br><br><br>On Dec 5, 2012, at 0:02, Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br><br>I think this culminates to character assassination - Googling someone maliciously does not sound good to me.<br>><br>><br>>We are all there!!! and captured live by Google...and could be worse!<br>><br>
><br>>Please Google usefully and keep it to yourselves please.<br>><br>><br>>Cheers<br>><br>><br>>Yassin<br>><br>><br>><br>>On 4 December 2012 17:34, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>>Excellent,<br>>><br>>>are you also going to post something original and/or of substance<br>>>soon?<br>>><br>>>el<br>>><br>>>On 2012-12-04 19:09 , Ntoko, Alexander wrote:<br>
>>> Yes.<br>>>><br>>>> As a senior ITU official and an African, I believe that it is<br>>>> important for me to share this information with the African<br>>>> Internet community.<br>
>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>_______________________________________________<br>>>AfrICANN mailing list<br>>><a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" target="_blank">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br>
>><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>><br>>--<br>><br>>Independent Consultant<br>
>c/o DFID-Sierra Leone5 Off Spur Road, Wilberforce<br>>Freetown,SIERRA LEONE<br>>Skype: yassinmshana1, Mobile:<a href="tel:%2B23276926697" target="_blank" value="+23276926697">+23276926697</a>, Fax: <a href="tel:%28%2B232%29%2022235769" target="_blank" value="+23222235769">(+232) 22235769</a><br>
><br>>Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?<br>> "The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot read or<br>> write but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin Toffler<br>><br>
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identity by Ms Bekele<br>To: "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:2B982491-6C84-4C46-9EBA-6CD5F23A98F7@lisse.na" target="_blank">2B982491-6C84-4C46-9EBA-6CD5F23A98F7@lisse.na</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>If I was a policeman she would already have been arrested.<br>
<br>Which, may well happen in the US, eventually...<br><br>Of course not in Cameroun...<br><br>el<br><br>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini<br><br>On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:14 PM, bouba <<a href="mailto:djamaab@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">djamaab@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>> Dear Dr,<br>> we are not in the classroom so you came and tell this is ok this not. Who are you to do this kind of interrogation? policeman? you request that you remove someone (Bekele) of the mailing list?<br>
> Nonsense!<br>> You are said that you defend ".africa"? are you sure?!<br>> I noticed that you enjoy distrat / or is this your goal here? are you charged to distract us or spy our views for interests other than Africa!<br>
><br>><br>> ----<br>> Eng. Djamaa BOUBA<br>> Director of Normalisation and Cooperation<br>> National Agency for ICTs<br>> Yaoundé-Cameroun<br>> Email (Pro) : <a href="mailto:bouba@antic.cm" target="_blank">bouba@antic.cm</a><br>
> GSM : <a href="tel:%2B237%2077%2032%2046%2017" target="_blank" value="+23777324617">+237 77 32 46 17</a><br>><br>> De : Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a>><br>
> À : "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>> Cc : "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> Envoyé le : Mercredi 5 décembre 2012 5h19<br>> Objet : [AfrICANN-discuss] deceptive use of a false on line identity by Ms Bekele<br>><br>> Oh, I see<br>><br>> Lying and committing criminal offenses to further Ms Bekele's goal (which I assume are DCA's bid for .Africa (<a href="http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/" target="_blank">http://www.dotconnectafrica.org</a>) are ok, but pointing this out is not?<br>
><br>> But then you also advocate for government crontrol over top level domains as long as it not your own.<br>><br>> Entertaining...<br>><br>> el<br>><br>> --<br>><br>> Sent from the iPhone of<br>
> Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse<br>><br>><br>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 0:02, Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> I think this culminates to character assassination - Googling someone maliciously does not sound good to me.<br>
>><br>>> We are all there!!! and captured live by Google...and could be worse!<br>>><br>>> Please Google usefully and keep it to yourselves please.<br>>><br>>> Cheers<br>>><br>>> Yassin<br>
>><br>>><br>>> On 4 December 2012 17:34, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br>>> Excellent,<br>>><br>>> are you also going to post something original and/or of substance<br>
>> soon?<br>>><br>>> el<br>>><br>>> On 2012-12-04 19:09 , Ntoko, Alexander wrote:<br>>> > Yes.<br>>> ><br>>> > As a senior ITU official and an African, I believe that it is<br>
>> > important for me to share this information with the African<br>>> > Internet community.<br>>> ><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" target="_blank">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br>>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>
>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Independent Consultant<br>>> c/o DFID-Sierra Leone<br>>> 5 Off Spur Road, Wilberforce<br>>> Freetown,SIERRA LEONE<br>>> Skype: yassinmshana1, Mobile:<a href="tel:%2B23276926697" target="_blank" value="+23276926697">+23276926697</a>, Fax: <a href="tel:%28%2B232%29%2022235769" target="_blank" value="+23222235769">(+232) 22235769</a><br>
>> Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?<br>>> "The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot read or<br>>> write but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin Toffler<br>
>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> AfrICANN mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" target="_blank">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br>>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br>
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<div><b><font color="#33cc00">Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?</font></b></div>
<div><span> </span><i> <font color="#330099">"The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot read or</font></i>
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