Dear Yacine,<br>Let me just note some contradictions on your demonstration :<br>1) GAC is not an intergovernmental body but one of ICANN's advisory Committee. See ICANN bylaws: <h3 id="ICANNBylaws-ARTICLEXI:ADVISORYCOMMITTEES">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">ARTICLE XI: ADVISORY COMMITTEES</span></h3>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><strong>Section 1. GENERAL</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">The Board may create one or more
Advisory Committees in addition to those set forth in this Article.
Advisory Committee membership may consist of Directors only, Directors
and non-directors, or non-directors only, and may also include
non-voting or alternate members. Advisory Committees shall have no
legal authority to act for ICANN, but shall report their findings and
recommendations to the Board.'</span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">And these recommendations can be taking or not into account by the board.</span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">..........</span></p><p>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">i. The Governmental Advisory
Committee may put issues to the Board directly, either by way of
comment or prior advice, or by way of specifically recommending action
or new policy development or revision to existing policies.</span></p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">k. If no such solution can be found,
the ICANN Board will state in its final decision the reasons why the
Governmental Advisory Committee advice was not followed, and such
statement will be without prejudice to the rights or obligations of
Governmental Advisory Committee members with regard to public policy
issues falling within their responsibilities.</span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">2) ICANN complies with the US legal requirements </span>then ICANN cannot accept to deal with any entity that may be subject to US santions. Who are Internet constituents?</p>
<p>3) ITU members are following :<br></p><ul class="ms-rteStyle-ITUXCommuQuickLinks"><li><a href="http://www.itu.int/online/mm/scripts/mm.list?_search=SEC&_languageid=1" target="_blank"><strong>Sector Members</strong></a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.itu.int/online/mm/scripts/mm.list?_search=ASSOCIATES&_languageid=1"><strong>Associates</strong></a></li><li><a href="http://www.itu.int/online/mm/scripts/mm.list?_search=UNIV&_languageid=1"><strong>Academia</strong></a></li>
</ul><p>Best Regards,<br></p><p> <span><span style="font-family:Calibri"><br></span></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </span></p>Do you know how many gov are members of the GAC? Do you know that bylaws <br><div class="gmail_quote">
2012/11/28 Y Mshana2003 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hello there..<div>It is interesting to see this issue re emerging but in different shape and form.</div><div>It is obvious now that involving Governments beyond GAC level has its avoidable consequences such this one. The reason being that the institutional inertia that Govts have a systems have may not either allow them to respond to changes or may respond to issues through global structures such as ITU. Time to revise ITU was when ICANN global policy was being formulated - that did not happen since the some govt policies and structures did not have a room to for Internet development in either way. The development of Internet-based economic activities did not have to wait for governments to adjust to that - otherwise we would not be benefiting from what we have at the moment. Why so? I think it is to do with Revenue generation for which Internet based activities were difficult to Tax. The only structure is maybe through ITU....that is why all this discussion is going on.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The best way was to let Governments voice issues through GAC not even through AUC as we see it happening now - involving AUC in gTLD applications process which is 100% ICANN process. </div><div><br></div>
<div>One can not choose when to use or not to use Government systems when it comes to global issues.....or can it?</div><div><br></div><div>Please separate Government business from Internet global business structure until sovereign ICT policies place include the Internet phenomenon.</div>
<div><br></div><div>After all, governments do not engage in business they regulate and collect Tax. Having said that, my conclusion is ITU = Governments and ICANN = Internet constituents. Big mistake is to mix the two as it will soon happen if we hide behind either to push any agenda.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thats my opinion on this for now until an evolution takes place...?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div>Yassin<br><div><br><font>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div>
</div><div><div class="h5"><br><br><br>Maye Diop <<a href="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayediop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>Dear Doc,<br>Then we need to work at national level and be able to conduct nation delegation well prepared including all stakeholders.<br>
Best Regards;<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/28 Nii Quaynor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>....that's why I fully support open government including that of member governments and ITU<div>
<div><br><br>On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:25, Maye Diop <<a href="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayediop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></div></div><div><div><div></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi McTim,<br>Internet is a democratic tools that allow everyone to express himself about all subjects. And it's becominge and more tools for propoganda. <br>But when it comes to negociation beetween nations about a global issue, our representatives are our gouvernments. And that's why I fully support regional and national open consultations which allow everyone, in his context and interest, to express his position and specially allow delegations to take into account their concerns about the issue.<br>
When a decision has a worldwide impact, we need to think about general intesrest.<br>I asked to french delegations attending preparatory meeting in Dakar, where is the interest of Africa, continuing as user or being a full member of the system?<br>
Best Regards,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/28 McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
HI Alexander,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Ntoko, Alexander <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alexander.ntoko@itu.int" target="_blank">alexander.ntoko@itu.int</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Do not forget "... in its own right..." </div>
<div>This is important because many civil society organizations can participate as part of their national delegations and countries are encouraged to consult with their citizens and share all documents with them. Some do and others do not. Furthermore, ITU
has made public the main input document to the conference.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Understood, and I for one appreciate the greater openness the ITU has shown in the last few years.</div><div>
<br>
</div><div>However, contrast this one nation-one vote, limited access to documents style with the truly open, transparent bottom up process that we will use this week in Khartoum @ AfriNIC17.</div><div><br></div><div>I can (and have) proposed policies that will be discussed this week, and they may even be adopted. I am not a government nor do I represent a large company, just myself. It is this kind of openness that has built the Internet we have today.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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