<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">This is too much talk (up and down, left and right)...</span></span><br><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor@ghana.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> "africann@afrinic.net" <africann@afrinic.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 31 octobre 2012 1h29<br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Objet :</span></b> [AfrICANN-discuss] Internet regulation at national level?<br> </font> </div> <br>Some have asked for regulation at national level <span style="font-weight: bold;">but have failed to name what to regulate and how to regulate it</span>.<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">This</span> <span class="hps">is not true ...</span> <span class="hps">examples</span> <span class="hps">were given. As we was the one who introduce this debate on Internet Regulation.</span></span></span></span><br><br>Perhaps as was pointed out by one member de-regulation may be more beneficial to Internet countries and we should take that seriously.<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">You want to</span> <span class="hps">take us</span> <span class="hps">in
that direction.</span> <span class="hps">It's your choice</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">Here in</span> <span class="hps">Cameroon,</span> <span class="hps">we are calling for</span> <span class="hps">regulation.</span> <span class="hps">Ghana has</span> <span class="hps">certainly</span> <span class="hps">another position.</span> <span class="hps">Because</span> <span class="hps">we want a</span> <span class="hps">humane</span> <span class="hps">Internet</span><span class="">.</span></span></span></span><br><br>I also heard that we should regulate IP numbers and domain names at national level. Well and good but how could this be done when IPs are administered globally(iana/nro) and regionally through afrinic?<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Please let us organise a Webinar on this topic... So some will have the opportunity to make some présentation in details. Or for those want to travel or fly every
time, a worshop can be organise on this. Hope that fellowshippers will appreciate this last option. </span></span><br><br>Similarly gTLD administration is not within the purview of nation states as its administered globally at ICANN. Also best practices suggest ccTLDs are better managed in a multi-stakeholder model giving participation to registrants, ISPs, operators, civil society, technical community, government and others. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Thus ccTLDs are not directly under government regulation and at best fall in a self regulatory regime</span><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Not sure that, it is the case in every country...</span></span><br><br>Whois accuracy was mentioned but I did not hear what the government will do beyond education. Also making laws on Whois beyond ccTLD is questionable. Dispute resolution was additionally noted as potential area of regulation but this is a legal
practice and perhaps better to reinforce existing local legal institutions with new Internet capacity than for government regulation.<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Please let us organise a Webinar on this topic... </span></span><br><br>The Internet is different for two reasons from the compared transportation examples. First the Internet is already regulated because it uses transmission media that is already very well regulated. Thus an Internet user has paid the tariffs by the access and need no further fees<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">You just point differences, but no word about similarities. It is your strategies to impose your opinion.</span></span><br><br>Secondly, it defies geography by its organization in that an operator in one country may operate a network that spams beyond its region. Thus networks are not exactly national and national regulation
would only interfere in their expansion.<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Start small, start now. Let's begin at national level... All the issues can not be cover at the beginning. It is a process.... </span></span><br><br>Content regulation was mentioned and all have pointed to it as difficult. All ways known disrupt the network structure and do not achieve the intended objective as one <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">can always work around. It also begin to create authoritarian society by determining what adults read or access. It breaks the openness which has allowed the developing countries including Africa to catch in capacity</span></span><br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Competition has been suggested as another reason we need regulation at national level.</span> One very smart input pointed out that most of the concerns are governance issues and not regulation
yet non of the advocates gave it the infamous ++++++++1?<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">This is in contradiction with your first line... ("... <span>but have failed to name what to regulate </span> ... "). Do you know the link/relation between Regulation and Governance? There are many opinion in this subject. <a href="http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/webinar-the-future-architecture-of-global-internet-governance?xg_source=activity">Here is my opinion</a>.</span></span><br><br>Issues of policy environments that support development of national industries, technical capacity, infrastructure of cables and exchange points, business environment, local content, etc are governance issues which all nations are exploring ways to gain competitive advantage in. That is not achieved by closing our borders and regulating to hell. Africa will fall behind if we go that route.<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">This is too much talk.</span></span><br><br>As standards are global it should be clear our nations role is to prepare its citizens to participate in international organizations such as IETF, ISOC, W3C, ICANN, the I*s and in Africa the Af*s. <br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">IETF and W3C are more business oriented (industries). Not for followshippers.</span></span><br><br>So assuming there is a role for regulating the Internet nationally the next the question of why do it if it's being done elsewhere remained unanswered. In fact if we are to be sincere Africa has some way to go to develop what it takes to participate in existing global organizations and very unclear the ability to do<br><br>The strength of nation states is in developing enabling environment for investments, capacity, security, openness, competition, IPv6 migration, etc which are governance issues in a
de-regulated Internet environment <br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">This is too much talk.</span></span><br><br>So, can someone make the case for national regulation of the Internet again clearly?<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Please let us organise a Webinar on this topic... </span></span><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AfrICANN mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>