<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div><div><div>Agreed there, Bouba, agreed</div></div></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> bouba <<a href="mailto:djamaab@yahoo.fr">djamaab@yahoo.fr</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> bouba <<a href="mailto:djamaab@yahoo.fr">djamaab@yahoo.fr</a>>, <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday 30 October 2012 2:06 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">interesting pint vika...<span> but it is not because something is difficult that we have to ignore it, but rather try to handle it.</span><br><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><div><font size="2">----<br>Eng. Djamaa BOUBA<br>Director of Normalisation and Cooperation<br>National Agency for ICTs<br>Yaoundé-Cameroun<br>Email (Pro) : <a href="mailto:bouba@antic.cm">bouba@antic.cm</a><br>GSM : +237 77 32 46 17<br></font><br></div> <div style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Vika Mpisane <<a href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>"
<<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 30 octobre 2012 9h56<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv1798483866"><div><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span">Now I'm clear what you mean by domain name regulation, Pierre. Yes, domain name dispute regulation is regulation. </span>Likewise, setting Whois parameters through regulation is regulation.<span class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span"> My emphasis is that regulation of how domain names are used is quite difficult & almost impractical, if not bordering on censorship. The same thing with regulating IP addresses, which is even more tricky than domain names.</span></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><br></div><div><div>Vika</div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><br></div><span id="yiv1798483866OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">From: </span> Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Reply-To: </span> Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span> Tuesday 30 October 2012 10:40 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc: </span> Vika Mpisane <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" target="_blank" href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject: </span> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;"><div><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:19px;">It is never too late. What about Whois service (for domain names and IP addresses)? And the policy to be put in place to have a Whois data who is accurate?</span></font><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:19px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:19px;"><br></span></font></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:19px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:19px;font-weight:bold;">It is regulation or not?</span></font></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-size:19px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:19px;"><br></span></font></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><span style="font-size:19px;">Domain name dispute is also part of the regulation.</span></span></font></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:19px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;"></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;"> </div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif;"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Vika Mpisane <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" target="_blank" href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 30 octobre 2012 8h33<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv1798483866"><div><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">+++1 here too. </div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Regulating domain names & IP addresses is not something I've ever heard of. I've heard of domain name dispute regulation, which
of course only regulates how disputes over a domain name in a particular top level domain (TLD) should be handled & resolved.</div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><br></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><br></div><span id="yiv1798483866OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div style="font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;border-bottom-width:medium;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-width:medium;border-left-style:none;border-left-color:initial;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;padding-right:0in;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);border-top-width:1pt;border-top-style:solid;border-right-width:medium;border-right-style:none;border-right-color:initial;padding-top:3pt;font-family:Calibri;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">From: </span> Ntege Badru <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Reply-To: </span> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span> Tuesday 30 October 2012 8:32 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span> "<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc: </span> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>>, Dr Eberhard Lisse <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject: </span> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>+++1<br><div><span class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div></div><div><br>On 30 Oct 2012, at 07:20, "Nii Narku Quaynor" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>So, exactly what is to be regulated about Internet in a country ? No answer...<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Country's regulate access...connectivity and infrastructure. (which they are failing miserably). There is a big
difference between a nicely written policy document (which I call intent) and actual on the ground implementation (results).</div><div><br></div><div>The collective bottom up process has achieved allot more than any one government has ever achieved for the Internet. So I'm still puzzled why some on the list still want to take us back to the domain of what I like to call Paralysis Through Analysis (PTA). </div><div><br></div><div>Let's build on the rough consensus platform it has brought us this far we just need to keep perfecting it by wider consultation and knowledge sharing to help others contribute effectively with value from a knowledgable perspective.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br>On Oct 29, 2012, at 23:46, Y Mshana2003 <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Oga Nii.. You are right but that system belongs to bad governance unfortunately and should be revamped since it does not apply to Internet-based economy. Im aware of Communications Regulations bodies eg WATRA. That applies to Mobile and fixed Telecomms but not applicable to Internet. Why? Because it froze there since the effort to make Laws recognize the location free Internet-based economy is not yet in the Books? Attempts have been made but it needs another Law to do that. It is like establishing Traffic Lights in the Sky?<div>I recall this issue of Laws was discussed in 2005 at Mar de Plata but did not cross the borders ...why?</div><div><br><div><br><br><font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div></div><br><br><br>Nii Narku Quaynor <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><div>Regulators
typically issue licenses, determine number of operators, type of operators, set fees, set standards, enforce regulations, decide on interconnections, etc....which goes well beyond "organize" to more like "control"<br><br>Business development organizations "organize" while telecom regulators "control"</div><div><br>On Oct 29, 2012, at 22:07, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-size:12pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><span id="yiv1798483866result_box" class="yiv1798483866" lang="en"><span class="yiv1798483866hps">For me,</span> <span class="yiv1798483866hps">"regulate"</span> <span class="yiv1798483866hps">does not mean</span> <span class="yiv1798483866hps">control.</span> <span class="yiv1798483866hps
yiv1798483866atn">"</span><span class="yiv1798483866">Regulate</span><span class="yiv1798483866">" is</span> <span class="yiv1798483866hps">a bit like</span> <span class="yiv1798483866hps">"organize"</span><span class="yiv1798483866">.</span></span></div><div> </div><div>--<br>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>IT Engineer / ANTIC<br>Web : <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.antic.cm/">http://www.antic.cm</a><br>Email (Pro) : <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm">pierre.nankep@antic.cm</a><br>GSM : +237 77 66 10 07<br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Dr Eberhard W
Lisse <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>; Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 29 octobre 2012 23h01<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv1798483866"><div>So you can tap communications, censor publications, enrich yourself or your nephew through competitive advantage, and whatnot, for starters.<div><br><div>But then you were asking rethorically, of course.</div><div><br></div><div>El<br><br><div id="yiv1798483866-sig-id">Sent from Dr Lisse's BlackBerry PlayBook</div><br><hr><div><b>From:</b> "Nii Narku Quaynor" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> "Pierre Lotis NANKEP" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> October 29, 2012 11:17
PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br></div><br><div><br><br>On Oct 29, 2012, at 20:42, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span" face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span" style="font-size:12pt;">Currently, We are working on legislation relating to </span></font><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">Internet Regulation</span><font class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span" face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span" style="font-size:12pt;">, which will be operational by the end of this year 2012.</span></font><br><br></div></div></blockquote>Why would
want to regulate the Internet whose standards and coordination are global ? (perhaps you mean something else?)<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span" face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="yiv1798483866Apple-style-span" style="font-size:12pt;">Regards</span></font><br><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> </div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">--<br>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>IT Engineer / ANTIC<br>Web : <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.antic.cm/">http://www.antic.cm</a><br>Email (Pro) : <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm">pierre.nankep@antic.cm</a><br>GSM : +237 77 66 10
07<br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Thierry Sanzhie Bokally <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sanzhiet@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sanzhiet@gmail.com">sanzhiet@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 29 octobre 2012 21h17<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv1798483866">
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<div class="yiv1798483866moz-cite-prefix">Dear, <br>
<br>
If the can help the list of african countries with active national
ICT plans : <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/">http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/</a>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 28/10/2012 10:36, Y Mshana2003 a écrit :<br>
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I believe that ICT Policies is the foundation because ICANN is not
a levitating Organisation. Its Constituents are made by
individuals from different countries. Therefore individuals
serving in ICANN must have joined the organisation with something
from home country to contribute! that "thing" is policy in
addition to good intention.
<div>In that case country ICT policy is important to have had.
Does each country possess one?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yassin<br>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
<font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font>
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</div>
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Nii Narku Quaynor <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1798483866moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com"><quaynor@ghana.com></a> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>I thought this list is about ICANN and Internet or is it for
ICT now? <br>
<br>
On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:33, Y Mshana2003 <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Thank P for this.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Shall we begin by looking whether each country has an
uptodate ICT Policy? If now how can they be encouraged to
craft one? I ll be ready to put energy into that. This is
especially on policy that encourage Private Sector
development for the benefit of its people and the Africa
region.</div>
<div>Let us take stock since it is more than 10 years now
since the need of ICT policies became obvious.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Why m I suggesting this? Policy is the foundation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Yassin</div>
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On
O2.</font> </div>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dandjinou Pierre <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Colleagues,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>As you must have noticed, the discussions in the last
weeks only turned out to be a ping pong party between 2 or 3
people. Of course, others, be they elders, pioneers,
youngsters and babies (!) could not find any interest in the
debate..</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Another Bantu (Aka) proverbs states that 'When you open
your mouth in public to address people, make sure you are
concise, to the point and not too long! For if you fail to do this, you might make your audience turn away and leave
you alone in the circle!!'</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thus, may I suggest we just concentrate on a few simple
and doable things which make a difference in the development
of Africa's Internet ecosystem?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>May we share those information, documents and facts that
are of interest to us all ? May we showcase those
successes/and failures which show individual countries are moving ahead in building their own Internet environment?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Pierre D. <br clear="all">
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-- <br>
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<div>Pierre Dandjinou<br>
Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610</div>
<div>Dakar 221 77 639 30 41</div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.scg.bj/">www.scg.bj</a></div>
<div>skype : sagbo1953</div>
<div><br>
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