Its amazing how topic of discussion can change....now its on t regulation Vs "other words" perhaps a good preparation for the WCIT ;)<br><br>Cheers!<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">++1<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Vika Mpisane <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" target="_blank">vika@zadna.org.za</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-size:14px;word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Now I'm clear what you mean by domain name regulation, Pierre. Yes, domain name dispute regulation is regulation. </span>Likewise, setting Whois parameters through regulation is regulation.<span> My emphasis is that regulation of how domain names are used is quite difficult & almost impractical, if not bordering on censorship. The same thing with regulating IP addresses, which is even more tricky than domain names.</span></div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div>Vika</div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div style="border-right:medium none;padding-right:0in;padding-left:0in;padding-top:3pt;text-align:left;font-size:11pt;border-bottom:medium none;font-family:Calibri;border-top:#b5c4df 1pt solid;padding-bottom:0in;border-left:medium none">
<div><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br></div><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday 30 October 2012 10:40 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> Vika Mpisane <<a href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" target="_blank">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><div><div><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br>
</div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div><div><div><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:19px">It is never too late. What about Whois service (for domain names and IP addresses)? And the policy to be put in place to have a Whois data who is accurate?</span></font><br>
</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:19px"><br></span></font></span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:19px;font-weight:bold">It is regulation or not?</span></font></span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:19px"><br></span></font></span></div>
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<span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><span style="font-size:19px">Domain name dispute is also part of the regulation.</span></span></font></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt"></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt"> </div></div></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">
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<div><div> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> Vika Mpisane <<a href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" target="_blank">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 30 octobre 2012 8h33<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br> </font> </div> <br></div></div>
<div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">+++1 here too. </div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Regulating domain names & IP addresses is not something I've ever heard of. I've heard of domain name dispute regulation, which
of course only regulates how disputes over a domain name in a particular top level domain (TLD) should be handled & resolved.</div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Ntege Badru <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday 30 October 2012 8:32 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>>, Dr Eberhard Lisse <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank">el@lisse.NA</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>+++1<br><div><span><br></span></div></div><div><br>On 30 Oct 2012, at 07:20, "Nii Narku Quaynor" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>So, exactly what is to be regulated about Internet in a country ? No answer...<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Country's regulate access...connectivity and infrastructure. (which they are failing miserably). There is a big
difference between a nicely written policy document (which I call intent) and actual on the ground implementation (results).</div><div><br></div><div>The collective bottom up process has achieved allot more than any one government has ever achieved for the Internet. So I'm still puzzled why some on the list still want to take us back to the domain of what I like to call Paralysis Through Analysis (PTA). </div>
<div><br></div><div>Let's build on the rough consensus platform it has brought us this far we just need to keep perfecting it by wider consultation and knowledge sharing to help others contribute effectively with value from a knowledgable perspective.</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br>On Oct 29, 2012, at 23:46, Y Mshana2003 <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div>Oga Nii.. You are right but that system belongs to bad governance unfortunately and should be revamped since it does not apply to Internet-based economy. Im aware of Communications Regulations bodies eg WATRA. That applies to Mobile and fixed Telecomms but not applicable to Internet. Why? Because it froze there since the effort to make Laws recognize the location free Internet-based economy is not yet in the Books? Attempts have been made but it needs another Law to do that. It is like establishing Traffic Lights in the Sky?<div>
I recall this issue of Laws was discussed in 2005 at Mar de Plata but did not cross the borders ...why?</div><div><br><div><br><br><font>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div></div><br><br><br>Nii Narku Quaynor <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br><br><div>Regulators
typically issue licenses, determine number of operators, type of operators, set fees, set standards, enforce regulations, decide on interconnections, etc....which goes well beyond "organize" to more like "control"<br>
<br>Business development organizations "organize" while telecom regulators "control"</div><div><br>On Oct 29, 2012, at 22:07, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div><span lang="en"><span>For me,</span> <span>"regulate"</span> <span>does not mean</span> <span>control.</span> <span>"</span><span>Regulate</span><span>" is</span> <span>a bit like</span> <span>"organize"</span><span>.</span></span></div>
<div> </div><div>--<br>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>IT Engineer / ANTIC<br>Web : <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.antic.cm/" target="_blank">http://www.antic.cm</a><br>Email (Pro) : <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm" target="_blank">pierre.nankep@antic.cm</a><br>
GSM : <a href="tel:%2B237%2077%2066%2010%2007" value="+23777661007" target="_blank">+237 77 66 10 07</a><br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> Dr Eberhard W
Lisse <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank">el@lisse.NA</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>; Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 29 octobre 2012 23h01<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br> </font> </div> <br><div><div>
So you can tap communications, censor publications, enrich yourself or your nephew through competitive advantage, and whatnot, for starters.<div><br><div>But then you were asking rethorically, of course.</div><div><br></div>
<div>El<br><br><div>Sent from Dr Lisse's BlackBerry PlayBook</div><br><hr><div><b>From:</b> "Nii Narku Quaynor" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> "Pierre Lotis NANKEP" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> October 29, 2012 11:17
PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br></div><br><div><br><br>On Oct 29, 2012, at 20:42, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Currently, We are working on legislation relating to </span></font><span style="font-size:12pt;font-weight:bold;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Internet Regulation</span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">, which will be operational by the end of this year 2012.</span></font><br>
<br></div></div></blockquote>Why would
want to regulate the Internet whose standards and coordination are global ? (perhaps you mean something else?)<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Regards</span></font><br>
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
--<br>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>IT Engineer / ANTIC<br>Web : <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.antic.cm/" target="_blank">http://www.antic.cm</a><br>Email (Pro) : <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm" target="_blank">pierre.nankep@antic.cm</a><br>
GSM : +237 77 66 10
07<br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> Thierry Sanzhie Bokally <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:sanzhiet@gmail.com" target="_blank">sanzhiet@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 29 octobre 2012 21h17<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br> </font> </div> <br><div>
<div>
<div>Dear, <br>
<br>
If the can help the list of african countries with active national
ICT plans : <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/" target="_blank">http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/</a>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 28/10/2012 10:36, Y Mshana2003 a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
I believe that ICT Policies is the foundation because ICANN is not
a levitating Organisation. Its Constituents are made by
individuals from different countries. Therefore individuals
serving in ICANN must have joined the organisation with something
from home country to contribute! that "thing" is policy in
addition to good intention.
<div>In that case country ICT policy is important to have had.
Does each country possess one?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yassin<br>
<div><br>
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<font>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font>
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Nii Narku Quaynor <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank"><quaynor@ghana.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<br>
<div>I thought this list is about ICANN and Internet or is it for
ICT now? <br>
<br>
On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:33, Y Mshana2003 <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Thank P for this.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Shall we begin by looking whether each country has an
uptodate ICT Policy? If now how can they be encouraged to
craft one? I ll be ready to put energy into that. This is
especially on policy that encourage Private Sector
development for the benefit of its people and the Africa
region.</div>
<div>Let us take stock since it is more than 10 years now
since the need of ICT policies became obvious.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Why m I suggesting this? Policy is the foundation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Yassin</div>
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<font>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On
O2.</font> </div>
</div>
<br>
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<br>
Dandjinou Pierre <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
<div>Colleagues,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>As you must have noticed, the discussions in the last
weeks only turned out to be a ping pong party between 2 or 3
people. Of course, others, be they elders, pioneers,
youngsters and babies (!) could not find any interest in the
debate..</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Another Bantu (Aka) proverbs states that 'When you open
your mouth in public to address people, make sure you are
concise, to the point and not too long! For if you fail to do this, you might make your audience turn away and leave
you alone in the circle!!'</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thus, may I suggest we just concentrate on a few simple
and doable things which make a difference in the development
of Africa's Internet ecosystem?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>May we share those information, documents and facts that
are of interest to us all ? May we showcase those
successes/and failures which show individual countries are moving ahead in building their own Internet environment?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Pierre D. <br clear="all">
<br>
-- <br>
</div>
<div>Pierre Dandjinou<br>
Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610</div>
<div>Dakar 221 77 639 30 41</div>
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<div>skype : sagbo1953</div>
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<i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Seun Ojedeji,<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">web: </span><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br>
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