<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span style="background-color: transparent; ">I'm just asking if we are speaking about the same thing if not one may explain. We have some generic terms like Internet governance, Internet regulation, ICT regulation and ICT governance.</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think that by the evolution of technology and the nature of technology, today we have both regulation and governance in terms of infrastructure (like the Telecom sector become ICT sector) and also content and value added of trafic that passes through regulated infrastruture. Regulation as a technical oriented intervention and governance as more political and content oriented intervention on the system.</div><div><br></div><div>So I think that for Internet, governance is more appropriated than regulation, otherwise we are concuring in the same ITU vision of what is
Internet with the ITR revision. </div><div><span>IMHO, ICT regulation as infrastructure has impact on internet regulation as for example any cost (cf interconnexion agreement for telcos) addition in the network will impact the routing and transport trafic cost and then will create internet governance issues like different internet price for every direction and uneutral net.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div></div><div> </div><div style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(64, 64, 255);"><span style="font-style:italic;"></span>ATTOUMANI MOHAMED Karim,<br><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span class="530005710-07102010">Comoros representative on the Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN</span></font><br><span style="font-style:italic;">Ingénieur Télécoms en Transmission, Réseaux et
Commutation</span><br>Chef du Département Études et Projets,<br>Autorité Nationale de Régulation des TIC (ANRTIC) - Union des Comores, <br></div><div style="color:rgb(64, 64, 255);"><span style="font-weight:bold;">(+269) 334 37 06 (Mobile Moroni)</span> - <span style="font-weight:bold;">ID Skype: attoukarim - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://eduportfolio.org/5667">siteperso</a></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> </font></div><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:06:24 +0000 (GMT)<br>From: bouba <<a ymailto="mailto:djamaab@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:djamaab@yahoo.fr">djamaab@yahoo.fr</a>><br>Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:1351598784.92226.YahooMailNeo@web132403.mail.ird.yahoo.com" href="mailto:1351598784.92226.YahooMailNeo@web132403.mail.ird.yahoo.com">1351598784.92226.YahooMailNeo@web132403.mail.ird.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>interesting pint vika...but it is not because something is difficult that we have to ignore it, but rather try to handle it.<br><br><br> <br>----<br>Eng. Djamaa BOUBA<br>Director of Normalisation and Cooperation<br>National Agency for ICTs<br>Yaoundé-Cameroun<br>Email (Pro) : <a ymailto="mailto:bouba@antic.cm" href="mailto:bouba@antic.cm">bouba@antic.cm</a><br>GSM : +237 77 32 46 17<br><br><br><br>________________________________<br> De : Vika Mpisane <<a
ymailto="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br>À : "<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>> <br>Envoyé le : Mardi 30 octobre 2012 9h56<br>Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br> <br><br>Now I'm clear what you mean by domain name regulation, Pierre. Yes, domain name dispute regulation is regulation. Likewise, setting Whois parameters through regulation is regulation. My emphasis is that regulation of how domain names are used is quite difficult & almost impractical, if not bordering on censorship. The same thing with regulating IP addresses, which is even more tricky than domain names.<br><br>Vika<br>From: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr"
href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br>Reply-To: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br>Date: Tuesday 30 October 2012 10:40 AM<br>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>Cc: Vika Mpisane <<a ymailto="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br>Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br><br><br>It is never too late. What about Whois service (for domain names and IP addresses)? And the policy to be put in place to have a Whois data who is accurate?<br><br><br>It is regulation or not?<br><br>Domain name dispute is also part of the
regulation.<br><br> <br><br>>________________________________<br>> De : Vika Mpisane <<a ymailto="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br>>À : <a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a> <br>>Envoyé le : Mardi 30 octobre 2012 8h33<br>>Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br>> <br>><br>>+++1 here too. <br>><br>><br>>Regulating domain names & IP addresses is not something I've ever heard of. I've heard of domain name dispute regulation, which of course only regulates how disputes over a domain name in a particular top level domain (TLD) should be handled & resolved.<br>><br>><br>><br>>From: Ntege Badru <<a ymailto="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>>Reply-To:
<<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>>Date: Tuesday 30 October 2012 8:32 AM<br>>To: "<<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>>Cc: "<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>>, Dr Eberhard Lisse <<a ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>><br>>Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br>><br>><br>><br>>+++1<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>On 30 Oct 2012, at 07:20, "Nii Narku Quaynor" <<a ymailto="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com"
href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>>So, exactly what is to be regulated about Internet in a country ? No answer...<br>>><br>><br>><br>>Country's regulate access...connectivity and infrastructure. (which they are failing miserably). There is a big difference between a nicely written policy document (which I call intent) and actual on the ground implementation (results).<br>><br>><br>>The collective bottom up process has achieved allot more than any one government has ever achieved for the Internet. So I'm still puzzled why some on the list still want to take us back to the domain of what I like to call Paralysis Through Analysis (PTA). <br>><br>><br>>Let's build on the rough consensus platform it has brought us this far we just need to keep perfecting it by wider consultation and knowledge sharing to help others contribute effectively with value from a
knowledgable perspective.<br>><br>><br>>>On Oct 29, 2012, at 23:46, Y Mshana2003 <<a ymailto="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>>Oga Nii.. You are right but that system belongs to bad governance unfortunately and should be revamped since it does not apply to Internet-based economy. Im aware of Communications Regulations bodies eg WATRA. That applies to Mobile and fixed Telecomms but not applicable to Internet. Why? Because it froze there since the effort to make Laws recognize the location free Internet-based economy is not yet in the Books? Attempts have been made but it needs another Law to do that. It is like establishing Traffic Lights in the Sky?<br>>>>I recall this issue of Laws was discussed in 2005 at Mar de Plata but did not cross the borders
...why?<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2. <br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>Nii Narku Quaynor <<a ymailto="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>Regulators typically issue licenses, determine number of operators, type of operators, set fees, set standards, enforce regulations, decide on interconnections, etc....which goes well beyond "organize" to more like "control"<br>>>><br>>>>Business development organizations "organize" while telecom regulators "control"<br>>>><br>>>>On Oct 29, 2012, at 22:07, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>For me, "regulate" does not
mean control. "Regulate" is a bit like "organize".<br>>>>> <br>>>>>--<br>>>>>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>>>>>IT Engineer / ANTIC<br>>>>>Web : <a href="http://www.antic.cm/" target="_blank">http://www.antic.cm</a><br>>>>>Email (Pro) : <a ymailto="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm" href="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm">pierre.nankep@antic.cm</a><br>>>>>GSM : +237 77 66 10 07<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>________________________________<br>>>>> De : Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>><br>>>>>À : <a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>; Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> <br>>>>>Envoyé le : Lundi
29 octobre 2012 23h01<br>>>>>Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br>>>>> <br>>>>><br>>>>>So you can tap communications, censor publications, enrich yourself or your nephew through competitive advantage, and whatnot, for starters.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>But then you were asking rethorically, of course.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>El<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>Sent from Dr Lisse's BlackBerry PlayBook<br>>>>>>>>>________________________________<br>>>>><br>>>>>From: "Nii Narku Quaynor" <<a ymailto="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>><br>>>>>To: "Pierre Lotis NANKEP" <<a ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>>, "<a
ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>>>>>Sent: October 29, 2012 11:17 PM<br>>>>>Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>On Oct 29, 2012, at 20:42, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a ymailto="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>Currently, We are working on legislation relating to Internet Regulation, which will be operational by the end of this year 2012.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>Why would want to regulate the Internet whose standards and coordination are global ? (perhaps you mean something
else?)<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>Regards<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>>--<br>>>>>>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>>>>>>IT Engineer / ANTIC<br>>>>>>Web : <a href="http://www.antic.cm/" target="_blank">http://www.antic.cm</a><br>>>>>>Email (Pro) : <a ymailto="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm" href="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm">pierre.nankep@antic.cm</a><br>>>>>>GSM : +237 77 66 10<br> 07<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>>________________________________<br>>>>>> De : Thierry Sanzhie Bokally <<a ymailto="mailto:sanzhiet@gmail.com" href="mailto:sanzhiet@gmail.com">sanzhiet@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>>>À : <a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a> <br>>>>>>Envoyé le : Lundi 29 octobre 2012 21h17<br>>>>>>Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>><br>>>>>>Dear, <br>>>>>><br>>>>>>If the can help the list of african countries with active national<br> ICT plans : <a href="http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/" target="_blank">http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/</a> <br>>>>>><br>>>>>>Regards<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>>Le 28/10/2012 10:36, Y Mshana2003 a écrit :<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>I believe that ICT Policies is the foundation because ICANN is not a levitating Organisation. Its Constituents are
made by individuals from different countries. Therefore individuals serving in ICANN must have joined the organisation with something from home country to contribute! that "thing" is policy in addition to good intention. <br>>>>>>>In that case country ICT policy is important to have had. Does each country possess one?<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>Cheers<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>Yassin<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2. <br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>Nii Narku Quaynor <<a ymailto="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>I thought this list is about ICANN and Internet or is it for ICT now? <br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:33, Y Mshana2003 <<a ymailto="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>Thank P for this. <br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>Shall we begin by looking whether each country has an uptodate ICT Policy? If now how can they be encouraged to craft one? I ll be ready to put energy into that. This is especially on policy that encourage Private Sector development for the benefit of its people and the Africa region.<br>>>>>>>>Let us take stock since it is more than 10
years now since the need of ICT policies became obvious.<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>Why m I suggesting this? Policy is the foundation.<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>Cheers<br>>>>>>>>Yassin<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2. <br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>Dandjinou Pierre <<a ymailto="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>Colleagues,<br>>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>>>As you must have noticed, the discussions in
the last weeks only turned out to be a ping pong party between 2 or 3 people. Of course, others, be they elders, pioneers, youngsters and babies (!) could not find any interest in the debate..<br>>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>>>Another Bantu (Aka) proverbs states that 'When you open your mouth in public to address people, make sure you are concise, to the point and not too long! For if you fail to do this, you might make your audience turn away and leave you alone in the circle!!'<br>>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>>>Thus, may I suggest we just concentrate on a few simple and doable things which make a difference in the development of Africa's Internet ecosystem?<br>>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>>>May we share those information, documents and facts that are of interest to us all ?
May we showcase those successes/and failures which show individual countries are moving ahead in building their own Internet environment?<br>>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>>>Regards<br>>>>>>>>Pierre D. <br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>-- <br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>Pierre Dandjinou<br>>>>>>>>Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610<br>>>>>>>>Dakar 221 77 639 30 41<br>>>>>>>>www.scg.bj<br>>>>>>>>skype : sagbo1953<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>_______________________________________________<br>>>>>>>>AfrICANN mailing list<br>>>>>>>><a
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