<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Gideon,</div><div><br></div><div>Please who are these people? and w<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">hy would you be provoking a .africa feud on the list ?</span></div><div><br></div><div>What was proposed in Toronto is on the ICANN website and open for comments. Your comments are also on the AFRINIC website along with others</div><div><br></div><div>Are you not happy for Africa and how well Africa was <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">received at Toronto or were you hoping for a failure for Africa i.e. sour grapes ?</span></div><div><br></div><div>Regarding your earlier note addressed to me, I think my question gave an answer on what I thought was better than "ransom" so there was no need to rehash and I wont </div><div><br></div><div>Nii<br><br>On Oct 22, 2012, at 13:23, Gideon <<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>these people have reduced everything to DCA againist the world, now they are perhaps feeling a little boosted at Toronto, but a few days and we shall hear non of what was proposed, until someone ruffles feathers again like the .africa project<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Gideon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com" target="_blank">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Nii ,<br><br><div style="margin-left:40px">..really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your
content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the
world to a ransom<br><br></div>
The reasoning behind the "stake" is not about holding anyone at "ransom", it means that we ought to build content/applications, share it with others it means that people can look at Africa and gain from its content, it means that no one will patent the African products and artifacts because the world would know that that's definitely a product form Africa and not elsewhere, it means having something tangible, something that would let people acknowledge Africa based on its presence , otherwise we will have other people keep doing it for us, our percentage online traffic will always low.<br>
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1. Re: Who controls the internet? (Mark Elkins)<br>
2. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (McTim)<br>
3. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (Nii Narku Quaynor)<br>
4. Re: Who controls the internet? (SM)<br>
5. Re: Presentation of the initial Plan for the Africa Strategy,<br>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:57:52 +0200<br>
From: Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
To: SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net" target="_blank">sm@resistor.net</a>><br>
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On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 02:41 -0700, SM wrote:<br>
> Hi Mark,<br>
> At 01:18 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
> >If I look at ZA or more specifically <a href="http://CO.ZA" target="_blank">CO.ZA</a> and give reasons why it works<br>
> >reasonably well...<br>
> ><br>
> >Cost: Currently this is pretty low - around the $6 level. Probably would<br>
><br>
> I did a quick summary of pricing but I did not post the<br>
> figures. <a href="http://co.za" target="_blank">co.za</a> was the lowest.<br>
><br>
> >make little difference until the price was above $30. Hosting a fair<br>
> >sized website in South Africa is from $100 to $300 a year - so 10% of<br>
> >that for a Domain is probably reasonable.<br>
><br>
> Some of the ccTLDs charge more than USD 100 for registration.<br>
Over $50 is probably a serious barrier.<br>
<br>
> >Accessibility: I think this is the key issue regarding ccTLD's. If its<br>
> >easy and quick to register, then people will use it.<br>
><br>
> Yes.<br>
><br>
> >Reliability: <a href="http://CO.ZA" target="_blank">CO.ZA</a> Nameservers have never been down. The Registration<br>
> >portal has been down - but never long. However, some people measure<br>
> >reliability by how well e-mail (etc) work. Most SA ISP's are quite<br>
> >reliable, so '<a href="http://co.za" target="_blank">co.za</a>' e-mail addresses work reasonably well (we have our<br>
> >moments).<br>
><br>
> .za has three nameservers within South Africa. <a href="http://co.za" target="_blank">co.za</a> has at least<br>
> three nameservers within South Africa. It seems geared to serve the<br>
> local community. Some application (excluding email) designers set a<br>
> number and work out the optimization from there. If the DNS side has<br>
> high latency it can be a significant problem.<br>
<br>
Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something<br>
like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use<br>
Autonimica/NetNode...<br>
Other ZA domains also use ISC's Anycast (ZA uses NetNode and ISC - two<br>
AnyCasts).<br>
African ccTLD folk should probably be looking at AfriNIC for AnyCast<br>
DNS. The <a href="http://CO.ZA" target="_blank">CO.ZA</a> zone is a touch on the large side... might be unfair.<br>
<br>
Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where<br>
most queries would come from.<br>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:10:26 -0400<br>
From: McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72<br>
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Gideon <<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com" target="_blank">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi All,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the insightful inputs, i beleive that at the end of the day from<br>
> the look of things, the business side of the internet has the most<br>
> influence<br>
<br>
they actually have little influence in a "one-nation one-vote"<br>
International treaty<br>
environment such as the ITU.<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:56:49 +0000<br>
From: Nii Narku Quaynor <<a href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72<br>
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On Oct 19, 2012, at 6:55, Gideon <<a href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com" target="_blank">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> The only way Africa could have a voice is to have a bargaining power that exists not in the lobbying only but more tangible factors like "we have this % of content, that holds the % stake of the www e.t.c. ". so we shall argue based on the stake we hold!!<br>
><br>
....really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the world to a ransom<br>
<br>
Rather use the open Internet to simply develop Africa's economies, industries and capacities<br>
<br>
Nii<br>
> Keep Well,<br>
><br>
> Gideon Rop<br>
> DotConnectAfrica<br>
><br>
><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:39:02 -0700<br>
From: SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net" target="_blank">sm@resistor.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
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Hi Mark,<br>
At 03:57 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
>Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something<br>
>like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use<br>
>Autonimica/NetNode...<br>
<br>
I didn't mention it as I was commenting about local access.<br>
<br>
>Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where<br>
>most queries would come from.<br>
<br>
The "closer" nameservers are used once the RTT statistics "points" to<br>
them. Sometimes, the client ends up selecting the a server which is<br>
further away because of routing oddities. As an unrelated comment<br>
the following nameservers might be queried when I send this message:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://sns-pb.isc.org" target="_blank">sns-pb.isc.org</a> 6 ms<br>
<a href="http://ns1.coza.net.za" target="_blank">ns1.coza.net.za</a> 165 ms<br>
<a href="http://secdns1.posix.co.za" target="_blank">secdns1.posix.co.za</a> 322 ms<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
-sm<br>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:25:00 +0000<br>
From: Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for<br>
the Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre<br>
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Hello Marcus,<br>
<br>
Can we have the analysis or the presentation please - if any so far...<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Yassin<br>
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On 15 October 2012 14:27, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi EL,<br>
><br>
> The fact of being there, even if the presentation has not yet been done is<br>
> an "initiative" for someone. so there is nothing wrong if someone think it<br>
> is "good" step.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Marcus<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the<br>
> Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre<br>
> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:50:19 -0400<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> How do you know that the initiative is good, when it has not been<br>
> presented yet?<br>
><br>
> el<br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> Sent from the iPhone of<br>
> Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:52, gangalaramsamy narayan <<a href="mailto:narayan10@yahoo.com" target="_blank">narayan10@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks Pierre<br>
><br>
> Good initiative, I'll be there.<br>
><br>
> Rgds<br>
><br>
> Narayan G.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --- On *Mon, 10/15/12, Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>>* wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> From: Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the<br>
> Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:icann-aswg@afrinic.net" target="_blank">icann-aswg@afrinic.net</a>, "Tarek KAMEL" <<a href="mailto:tarek.kamel@icann.org" target="_blank">tarek.kamel@icann.org</a>><br>
> Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 12:54 AM<br>
><br>
> Dear Listers,<br>
><br>
> As per its TORs, the ASWG submitted its draft outline of the ICANN<br>
> Strategic plan for Africa on 1st October. The ASWG thanks all those who<br>
> offered their comments and contributions; we did receive substantive<br>
> contributions which have helped develop the initial draft. Comments have<br>
> been posted alongside all the working documents developed by the Group at<br>
> <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/icann-aswg/tor" target="_blank">http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/icann-aswg/tor</a>.<br>
><br>
> ICANN thus takes it from here. A presentation of this initial plan is<br>
> scheduled for tomorrow , at 15 - 16h30, room Metro Center, at ICANN 45 in<br>
> Toronto.<br>
><br>
> ICANN will then continue the outreach and public presentation until the<br>
> document evolves into a full Action plan for Africa in the next three<br>
> years..There is thus still room for contributing to this work in progress.<br>
><br>
> The ASWG commends all those who gave their support (AfrICANN listers,<br>
> ICANN's management team, ICANN board members in their individual<br>
> capacities, ICANN constituency members and AfriNIC)<br>
> Best regards<br>
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