Hi All,<br><br>Thanks for the insightful inputs, i beleive that at the end of the day from the look of things, the business side of the internet has the most influence, no wonder others are keen to warm upto the "[The sender pays proposal] .<br>
<br>What i think we could start to do in our home turf, Africa is to vigorously build our content, perhaps develop our own knowledge portal. This way we will increase traffic Africa-wards, and then our bandwidth margin of 1Tbps can increase, this will go with issues like ensuring that more can access the internet not only on mobile devices but also PC's.<br>
<br>The only way Africa could have a voice is to have a bargaining power that exists not in the lobbying only but more tangible factors like "we have this % of content, that holds the % stake of the www e.t.c. ". so we shall argue based on the stake we hold!!<br>
<br>Keep Well,<br><br>Gideon Rop<br>DotConnectAfrica<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:52 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:africann-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann-request@afrinic.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:47:35 -0400<br>
From: Vika Mpisane <<a href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
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I note Alice's insightful & more informed take on the matter, but I'm even<br>
encouraged by the comment of Milton Mueller:<br>
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Mueller says: "We're all 'prepared to fight the ITU' but we're<br>
ignoring threats that come from Icann, the US government and from nation<br>
states. We're not building the kind of new institutions we need to<br>
govern the internet and keep it free."<br>
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I think Milton sums up well what's the issue with the current internet<br>
governance landscape because as much as any supposed ITU "take-over" of<br>
the Internet (although the ITU says it plans no such take-over) should be<br>
challenged as it would threaten the open internet, ICANN too is not immune<br>
to serious challenges that we should still address.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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On 2012/10/18 6:37 AM, "Victor Ndonnang" <<a href="mailto:ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org">ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org</a>><br>
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>Thanks Anne-Rachel for share this interesting article.<br>
>The same question with new answers. Anyway, this question will still<br>
>around<br>
>for many years.<br>
>Great input from Alice Munyua:<br>
><br>
>"Western dominance is the one of the biggest challenges for developing<br>
>nations, says Alice Munyua, a researcher and policy development expert,<br>
>representing Kenya and Africa on forums such as Icann. "It is a big<br>
>concern<br>
>for African governments and stakeholders, and not just because of how the<br>
>internet is governed, but how it is developed from a commercial and<br>
>technical perspective," she said. "There is a feeling that we are not able<br>
>to participate or contribute effectively because of the lack of capacity,<br>
>skills and resources, so there's a digital divide in terms of access, but<br>
>also in appropriating the internet for our own development."<br>
><br>
>This, she believes, is the reason most African governments are supporting<br>
>Arab proposals that countries should be compensated, by websites and<br>
>internet services, for the flow of internet traffic they generate, and<br>
>that<br>
>wide-ranging privacy protections be introduced with exceptions for law<br>
>enforcement."<br>
><br>
>I is clear that the Multi-stakeholder model of the Internet Governance is<br>
>under-construction.<br>
><br>
>Best regards,<br>
>Victor Ndonnang.<br>
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>Objet : [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:01:31 -0700<br>
From: SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net">sm@resistor.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:6.2.5.6.2.20121018112145.0aef1770@resistor.net">6.2.5.6.2.20121018112145.0aef1770@resistor.net</a>><br>
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The image at<br>
<a href="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg" target="_blank">http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg</a><br>
could be used as input to answer the question in the subject<br>
line. Africa is a quarter the size of South America in terms of<br>
addressability. The most visible ccTLD in Africa is .za which is<br>
0.3% of the web. The total international bandwidth for Africa is 1<br>
Tbps. It was mentioned that Africa has less international bandwidth<br>
than Austria.<br>
<br>
In other news a well-known search engine has threatened to exclude<br>
some sites in a country from search results if the country goes ahead<br>
with plans to make search engines pay for content.<br>
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Regards,<br>
-sm<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:17:35 +0000<br>
From: nabil benamar <<a href="mailto:benamar73@gmail.com">benamar73@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
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Hi All,<br>
<br>
The Hungout realized today around the subject who control Internet, is of<br>
some interest:<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6NQBsNJrg&feature=plcp" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6NQBsNJrg&feature=plcp</a><br>
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Weight in<br>
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Regards<br>
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2012/10/18 SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net">sm@resistor.net</a>><br>
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> The image at <a href="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-**images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/*" target="_blank">http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-**images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/*</a><br>
> *2012/8/2/1343919312614/**Internet-map-008.jpg<<a href="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg" target="_blank">http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg</a>>could be used as input to answer the question in the subject line. Africa<br>
> is a quarter the size of South America in terms of addressability. The<br>
> most visible ccTLD in Africa is .za which is 0.3% of the web. The total<br>
> international bandwidth for Africa is 1 Tbps. It was mentioned that Africa<br>
> has less international bandwidth than Austria.<br>
><br>
> In other news a well-known search engine has threatened to exclude some<br>
> sites in a country from search results if the country goes ahead with plans<br>
> to make search engines pay for content.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> -sm<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:21:11 -0400<br>
From: Nii Narku Quaynor <<a href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
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Ack. Africa should focus and build its Internet industries<br>
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On Oct 18, 2012, at 16:01, SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net">sm@resistor.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> The image at <a href="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg" target="_blank">http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg</a> could be used as input to answer the question in the subject line. Africa is a quarter the size of South America in terms of addressability. The most visible ccTLD in Africa is .za which is 0.3% of the web. The total international bandwidth for Africa is 1 Tbps. It was mentioned that Africa has less international bandwidth than Austria.<br>
><br>
> In other news a well-known search engine has threatened to exclude some sites in a country from search results if the country goes ahead with plans to make search engines pay for content.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
> -sm<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:35:21 +0100 (BST)<br>
From: Alioune Traore <<a href="mailto:alioune_b_traore@yahoo.fr">alioune_b_traore@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
Subject: R?f.: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
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Le jeu. 18 oct. 2012 22:21 HAEC, Nii Narku Quaynor a écrit :<br>
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>Ack. Africa should focus and build its Internet industries<br>
><br>
>On Oct 18, 2012, at 16:01, SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net">sm@resistor.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> The image at <a href="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg" target="_blank">http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg</a> could be used as input to answer the question in the subject line. Africa is a quarter the size of South America in terms of addressability. The most visible ccTLD in Africa is .za which is 0.3% of the web. The total international bandwidth for Africa is 1 Tbps. It was mentioned that Africa has less international bandwidth than Austria.<br>
>><br>
>> In other news a well-known search engine has threatened to exclude some sites in a country from search results if the country goes ahead with plans to make search engines pay for content.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> -sm<br>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 00:36:12 +0300<br>
From: Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
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SM, its obvious we need to pull up our socks, although those<br>
statistics are a bit biased. I know for a fact that there are more<br>
gTLDs registered by Africans for Africa than there are ccTLD. If<br>
current and future generations start registering domaisn from their<br>
respective country registries, we will see a shift from those<br>
statistics. The same with addressability, most of Africa's content is<br>
hosted abroad for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.<br>
<br>
Maybe it's time we started consuming our own dog food. In Germany for<br>
example, there ccTLD is the second largest in the world after .com.<br>
Its something us industrial players should pursue.<br>
<br>
On 18/10/2012, SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net">sm@resistor.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> The image at<br>
> <a href="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg" target="_blank">http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg</a><br>
><br>
> could be used as input to answer the question in the subject<br>
> line. Africa is a quarter the size of South America in terms of<br>
> addressability. The most visible ccTLD in Africa is .za which is<br>
> 0.3% of the web. The total international bandwidth for Africa is 1<br>
> Tbps. It was mentioned that Africa has less international bandwidth<br>
> than Austria.<br>
><br>
> In other news a well-known search engine has threatened to exclude<br>
> some sites in a country from search results if the country goes ahead<br>
> with plans to make search engines pay for content.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> -sm<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:42:03 +0000<br>
From: Y Mshana2003 <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
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My brains is burning on How, when ,who, where and what?<br>
<br>
I have a small answer for Who?: It is me, you and him/her all in Africa! We have the potential since we have very few challenges to keep us awake - only if we value what we naturally have.:-):-)<br>
<br>
We should think out of the Box but We should acknowledge what we have in our Box. To begin with, we have equity: land is the biggest assert. Next is Talent ! We naturally have it all. <br>
No one will tell you how to make ur household better than Theirs!<br>
<br>
Lets control the Content which is rich of knowkedge...<br>
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>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.<br>
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Nii Narku Quaynor <<a href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com">quaynor@ghana.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Ack. Africa should focus and build its Internet industries<br>
<br>
On Oct 18, 2012, at 16:01, SM <<a href="mailto:sm@resistor.net">sm@resistor.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> The image at <a href="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg" target="_blank">http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/2/1343919312614/Internet-map-008.jpg</a> could be used as input to answer the question in the subject line. Africa is a quarter the size of South America in terms of addressability. The most visible ccTLD in Africa is .za which is 0.3% of the web. The total international bandwidth for Africa is 1 Tbps. It was mentioned that Africa has less international bandwidth than Austria.<br>
><br>
> In other news a well-known search engine has threatened to exclude some sites in a country from search results if the country goes ahead with plans to make search engines pay for content.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> -sm<br>
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