<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Is process same as vision? </div><div><br></div><div>You say we should not depend on input <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">external to aswg from African Internet community?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">ICANN administers global Internet resource not national resources. So asking governments to set aside funds would be *out of scope* in an ICANN strategy?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">We need to be on topic and precise, IMHO </span></div><div><br></div><div>The aswg process is at a stage where it is wide open to the community and public. The sooner we commit our concrete inputs the better for African strategy</div><div><br>On Sep 17, 2012, at 22:43, Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>This is a simple matter : The Difference is in the Process that ASWG was formed and the way it operates. There is still room to rectify this and move ahead.<div><br></div><div>The only thing to bear in mind is that, "we should not depend full on external input to our problems since we know them better" also Creation of Funds is looked at as a simple solution - No! The flow of Funds should be the outcome of what we do ie. it should be attractive to well wishing providers or investors. It is like asking for free ride to go to work - how would that be?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Funds, Funds yes but what do we have to put on the table to show that the funds will have a positive impact in what we do? We should have an element of self reliance first before we look for 100% Funding - African Governments would put something aside for that if well engaged in what we do - that will not invite negative political interference - it will be a good will. There you go! I see a Strategy there.....?</div>
<div><br></div><div>I do not have to apologize for jumping in on this while it is still hot.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Yassin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 September 2012 07:16, Nii Narku Quaynor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Please specify the difference in <span>vision that you say otherwise it seems we are preaching division</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>Secondly we have been asked to contribute to a public <span>process which is to expand participation to include any interested party in developing the strategy yet you have a challenge giving any input except to say we are different. What is your idea and we should get concrete on the content of </span><span>strategy</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>If we are different show it in the responses and that will appear in the strategy documents?</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Lastly please say what you wish without spelling doom</span></div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Nii</span></div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Sep 16, 2012, at 21:59, Lerato <<a href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif"><div style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">Pierre,</div><div style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<br></div><div style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-size:16px">Merci pour votre courage! </span><span style="font-size:16px">Thanks for your courage!</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">
<span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif"><span style="background-color:transparent">Thank you also for your broad-mindedness and calling
it a debate, and moreover saying it is constructive. Like Dr Yassin had made a point earlier, people who ask questions or present different points of view and/or even make objections to a topic in my view should not be </span><span style="background-color:transparent">osterized</span><span style="background-color:transparent">. </span><br>
</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">
<span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px">We certainly are closer to an understanding, to what I call </span><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-size:16px">groups with two "different visions" rather than "two </span></span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px">opposition</span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px"> groups" Adiel of AfriNic deduced from his understanding on an earlier email. Therefore, I agree with Pierre in that we need to expand the WG to include groups or teams with </span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px">different</span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px"> vision to make it </span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px">successful</span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:16px"> for Africa. </span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif"><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:16px"><br>
</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent"><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:16px">ICANN and its societies are already aware of the different visions and even the conflicts in the Africa grouping, so to pretend one group represents the vision or interest of the other, is not even genuine. If we do not solve our own problem on such issues, ICANN will be having a difficult time implementing any proposed strategy due the continues conflicts and this, as already well said would be shame for Africa in the eye of the global public. The ICANN Africa strategy is just the beginning of
a </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span><span style="font-size:16px">journey and its legitimacy and success only depends on continuous support by all Africans, otherwise it will be just another failed strategy.</span></span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif"><span><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">
<span><span style="font-size:16px">I will send my thoughts on the Development Fund, Fatimata. Indeed it is interesting. </span></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">Kind regards,</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">-- Lerato Ma</div><div style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>>; "<a href="mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:43 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting theme for Toronto<br> </font> </div>
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<div><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif"><div><span><div>Dear All,</div><div><br></div><div>Now that the process of developing a strategy is launched, and in light of the strong constructive debat happened in this mailing list on this subject,</div>
<div><br></div><div>I think the idea of Fatimata is very interresting, but we (Africans) should adopt a consistent approach. Concretely, I propose the following:</div><div><br></div><div>1. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,255)">The creation of the Development Fund must be clearly stated in the strategy being developed in the chapter dealing with the financing.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>2. Extend the members of the ASWG Experts in strategic planning and Internet Governance</div><div><br></div><div>If we (African activists) continue to foster relationships other than
professional, and to form working groups with our
friends or colleagues, then we would still be ridiculous in the eyes of the world.</div><div><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif">
Best regards.</div></span></div><div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> </div><div style="font-family:'lucida console',sans-serif;font-size:10pt">--<br>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>IT Engineer / ANTIC<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> Fatimata Seye Sylla <<a href="mailto:fsylla@gmail.com" target="_blank">fsylla@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> <a href="mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 16 septembre 2012 18h45<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting theme for Toronto<br> </font> </div>
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<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span>Hello All,</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span> </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span>Regarding the AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting in
Toronto, the theme proposed by Mohamed Bashir on ICANN African Strategy and
seconded by many of us, is a very good and timely one.<span> </span>However, as the ASWG is asking for inputs on
the same theme, for the same period and from the same community, I don’t think
it would be a good idea to run an almost parallel consultation on it.<span> </span></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span> </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span>Therefore, I would like to suggest for your
appreciation <span> </span>“<b>the creation of a
development Fund” initiated by ICANN</b>, to support the developing countries’
active participation in the whole ICANN process and to facilitate their
integration in the Internet domain industry .<span>
</span>This fund could be supported by other partners and its management style would
have to be defined</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span> </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span>Please provide your feed-back as soon as
possible and not later than Thursday 20 September 2012</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span> </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span>Thank you all and best regards,</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span>Fatimata</span></div>
<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Fatimata Seye Sylla<br><br> <br>
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