<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>You are yet to study a set of documents but you are agreeing it is 'half cooked strategy'</div><div><br></div><div>I pray for Africa </div><div>Nii<br><br>On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:37, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"><br>I fully share</span> <span class="hps">the proposal</span> <span class="hps">of</span> <span class="hps">Yassin.</span></span><div><span></span></div><div> </div><div>--<br>Pierre Lotis NANKEP<br>IT Engineer / ANTIC<br>Web : <a href="http://www.antic.cm">http://www.antic.cm</a><br>Email (Pro) : <a href="mailto:pierre.nankep@antic.cm">pierre.nankep@antic.cm</a><br>GSM : +237 77 66 10 07<br></div> <div style="font-family: lucida console, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Y Mshana2003 <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Lerato <<a href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>>; Katim S. Touray <<a href="mailto:kaamt@yahoo.com">kaamt@yahoo.com</a>>;
"<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 1h49<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv821718015"><div>Dear fellow Africans,<div>It is unfortunate that a we are soon going built on sand (no foundation) if the African Strategy is going to be discussed in Toronto. </div><div>My suggestion made a month ago to stop this rushing and have a round of consultations to Democratically form an acceptable ASW Group was not loud enough to be heard. It is an embarassment to see what is going on. Rushing to Toronto with a half cooked Strategy will only create room for Complications in the implementation of a strategy which was not processed properly. I would suggest this process is stopped and go back to drawing board by initiating a process to for a more
inclusive Working Group. </div><div>It is not an emergency - it can wait for a few more weeks to consult and form a Working Group instead of 'imporsing' a Group as it appears. Get it right now or spend longer to repair cracks and mistakes.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div>Yassin Mshana (Always for True Africa!)<br><br><br><font size="2">From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div><br><br><br>Lerato <<a href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13.600000381469727px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Dear Katim-</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><br></div><blockquote style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0, 0, 255);">In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very important question has been mingled with the DCA issue. </span></div></blockquote></blockquote><div style="
font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span><span><span><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;">You refer to "DCA's issue" as an "important question" and at the same time call it "unfortunate". What is unfortunate about an important question you raised that DCA also raised? Is it not </span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span><span><span><span><span><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;">DCA that first raised the issue you now call "important "on this list as well as formally in ICANN? or is
anything raised by DCA becomes nullified and unacceptable by a certain group, until it rotates and gets legitimacy by another voice outside of DCA? I am a bit perturbed by the choice of language. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-style:normal;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span><span><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span><span><span><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;">If you want positive engagement and contribution from all of us, please let us not
continue to deliberately mischaracterize DCA, while at the same time agreeing with the issues it raises. </span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-style:normal;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span><span><span><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-style:normal;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span><span><span><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;">Thank you and kind regards,</span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="
background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-style:normal;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;">--Lerato Ma (speaking as self)</span></div><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);
margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Katim S. Touray <<a href="mailto:kaamt@yahoo.com">kaamt@yahoo.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:03 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv821718015"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>Dear all,</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>I want to share my thoughts on the vexing issue of the composition of the ASWG. In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very important question has been mingled with the DCA issue.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>That said, I do not think it helps to brush the important question aside and say that we should
move on, simply because we need to. Simply shouting people down won't help us, and won't make issues go away either. </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">I would have expected a more robust and substantive response to the question of representation on the ASWG than what has been proffered so far. Specifically, I expected that the ASWG would be composed of African representatives in the various ICANN Supporting Organizations (SOs) and Advisory Committees (ACs), along with Africans on the ICANN Board. After all, these are people who represent us in these entities, and as such would, in my opinion, be the most effective in deliberating on, and delivering our concerns to ICANN's leadership and community.
And I think the bulk of them were there in Prague. Even if it would have been too cumbersome to have all of them on the ASWG, I would have suggested that they meet over the matter, and choose who among themselves would be on the ASWG.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">But all that is water under the bridge. We now have the reality that the ASWG is formed, and they are at work. What remains now is to provide them our full support to ensure they are successful in their task. But we must also learn from the lesson provided by how they were formed. I think our reps in various ICANN SOs and ACs should get
together to draw up an MOU or something along those lines to spell out how we, as an African community, can develop policies and positions in the common interest. For a start, I suggest the matter be included in the agenda for the Toronto AFRALO-AFRICANN meeting.</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Thanks to all of you for your efforts, and for sharing your ideas, and best wishes!</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times,
serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Katim</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Lerato <<a href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:33 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv821718015"><div><div>Lerato</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the reply. I think if we stick to the
policy issues and not personalise posts. We will get back to having open balanced discussions on the list. The issue of DCA in my book has been overblown and it is time for all to move on. Most of us post under our individual capacity unless we explicitly stress that the views we are sharing are those of our organisation. I think that way we get real debates and share diverse views. </div><div><br></div><div>I think we are all making progress and urge you and DCA to not isolate yourselves. Please openly share the views and the community will decide. It's all about consensus.</div><div><br></div><div>Once again thanks allot for openly responding. Let's all share our comments positively.</div><div><br></div><div>I look forward to sharing more policy discussions in future.
</div><div><br></div><div>Regards. </div><div><br><div><span class="yiv821718015Apple-style-span" style="">Badru Ntege</span></div><div><span class="yiv821718015Apple-style-span" style="">CEO </span></div><div><span class="yiv821718015Apple-style-span" style="">NFT Consult Ltd </span></div><div><span class="yiv821718015Apple-style-span" style=""><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nftconsult.com/">Www.Nftconsult.com</a></span></div><div><br></div><div>“Vision without execution is hallucination.” </div><div>― Thomas A. Edison</div><div><br></div><div><span class="yiv821718015Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv821718015Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv821718015Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv821718015Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div></div><div><br>On 11 Sep 2012, at 18:50, Lerato <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span><span style="color:rgb(69, 69, 69);font-size:11.818181991577148px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Dear Badru-</span></span></div><div style="font-size:11.818181991577148px;color:rgb(69, 69, 69);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><font color="#454545" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span><br></span></font></span></span></div><div style="font-size:11.818181991577148px;color:rgb(69, 69, 69);background-color:transparent;
font-style:normal;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><font color="#454545" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span>Thank you
for </span></font></span></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>AfrICANN mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>