<div dir="ltr">thanks Waudo for your observation,<br>I am involved in non-commercial part of GNSO (being myself a GNSO councilor) with few african colleague and unfortunately there is few attendance from the region while a lot of gTLD policy is discussed there and it is hard to amplify the message/concerns to be listened.<br>
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<span>That said, I do not think it helps to brush the important question aside and say that we should move on, simply because we need to. Simply shouting people down won't help us, and won't make issues go away either. </span><span style="background-color:transparent">I would have expected a more robust and substantive response to the question of representation on the ASWG than what has been proffered so far. Specifically, I expected that the ASWG would be composed of African representatives in the various ICANN Supporting Organizations (SOs) and Advisory Committees (ACs), along with Africans on the ICANN Board. After all, these are people who represent us in these entities, and as such would, in my opinion, be the most effective in deliberating on, and delivering our concerns to ICANN's leadership and community. And I think the bulk of them were there in Prague. Even if it would have been too cumbersome to have all of them on the ASWG, I would have suggested that they meet over the matter, and choose who among themselves would be on the ASWG.</span></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></span> Lerato <<a href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></span> Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:33 PM<br>
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Thanks for the reply. I think if we stick to the policy issues and not personalise posts. We will get back to having open balanced discussions on the list. The issue of DCA in my book has been overblown and it is time for all to move on. Most of us post under our individual capacity unless we explicitly stress that the views we are sharing are those of our organisation. I think that way we get real debates and share diverse views. </div>
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I think we are all making progress and urge you and DCA to not isolate yourselves. Please openly share the views and the community will decide. It's all about consensus.</div>
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span><span style="font-family:Arial," Helvetica"," sans-serif";color:#454545"><span>After my long observation on how things are handed in the said African internet communities, I certainly have come to realize the isolation of </span></span></span></span><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial," Helvetica"," sans-serif";color:#454545"><span><span>DCA in this group is what has been creating the so-called division within the community (certainly may have stemmed from the gTLD issue) and that your partisan approach to issues always prevented you from seeing and understanding both sides of the debate. Even the recent response I read from your elect chair Nii, reducing critical issues of inclusion and transparency to a level of "why my friends are not selected" is a failed explanation to handling such issues and defeats the whole purpose of the dialog. </span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">From:</span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span> 'Lerato' <<a href="mailto:yes2dotafrica@dotconnectafrica.org" target="_blank">yes2dotafrica@dotconnectafrica.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>; <a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span> Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:55 AM<br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Though I’m trying very hard to understand your sentiments, I’m having a hard time. Maybe it might help if you can suggest a constructive way forward that can build on where we are.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hopefully after that we can also seek a way forward that has you and the silent constituency onboard.</span></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:africann-bounces@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [<a href="mailto:africann-bounces@afrinic.net" target="_blank">mailto:africann-bounces@afrinic.net</a>] <span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span>Lerato<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span> Sunday, September 09, 2012 7:00 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span> <a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>; <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">You think putting together this working group above who is on one side of the aisle (or to use your term affiliation) is legitimate in your views Barrack, despite Rop at an early point of the exclusion discussion pointed out that DCA was a key player in ICANN Africa and was excluded. Why don't you simply call it "AfricaOneSpace Africa Strategy? I can see why you keep defending it now.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I understand such is not even in the tradition of ICANN. If this is really an ICANN supported WG, how come the WG is formed only on one side of a constituency?. The </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">mannerism</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> of self-election and electing one's WG is typical African and not an ICANN tradition. I see why now the final WG was not circulated at an earlier time before the announcement, giving an impression there was consensus.</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">You guys are in hallucination. Good luck with your Africa strategy, just do not be </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">surprised</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> when another one pops out under a different </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">constituency. After all there was no consensus on a one .africa either</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">!</span></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span> Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:49 PM<br>
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<span style>I echo your sentiments Badru, let us all participate in the process.<br>
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 08:59:30<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG<br>
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Thanks Pierre<br>
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I hope a large number of the community participates. And thus remove the myth of capture being cultivated by a few in the community. <br>
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I also hope many on the list will share with their local lists to have as many as possible participate and share views. That way we move positively forward as one majority community.<br>
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Looking forward to the website.<br>
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On 9 Sep 2012, at 01:43, Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> (NB : version francaise ci- dessous)<br>
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> The Icann Africa strategy Working Group held its retreat in Mauritius<br>
> on 27-28 August. The meeting was facilitated by ICANN and AfriNIC.<br>
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> The Group of 9 (4 initial core members + 5 Reps from regions and<br>
> Constituencies) had a fruitful gathering and will be posting its<br>
> working documents on a dedicated website to facilitate public access.<br>
> The community will then have 15 days for its further comments and<br>
> submissions before the group finalizes its recommendations.<br>
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> The public website should be available early next week. Meanwhile, the<br>
> Group wishes to thank all those who took the effort to complete the<br>
> questionnaires. The evaluation of the questionnaires and primary<br>
> discussions with representatives of the constituencies (Governments,<br>
> Registries, registrars, registrants, ALAC, Academia..etc) allowed the<br>
> group to brainstorm on strategic objectives, projects and measures of<br>
> impact. A key decision of the group is to conduct further<br>
> consultations and the website is going to be the conduit. You are<br>
> therefore kindly requested to provide your feedback, once the site is<br>
> up and running as of next week!.<br>
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> We are also attaching an evaluation of the questionnaires, for your information.<br>
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> Best regards<br>
> Pierre on behalf of the ASWG<br>
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> NB : Group members : Maimouna Diop; Palesa Banda Legozi , Nii Quaynor<br>
> (Chair), Barrack Otieno; Alice Munyua; Mouhamet Diop; Tijani Benjemaa;<br>
> Michel Tchonang Linze; Pierre Dandjinou<br>
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> La retraite du Groupe de travail pour la strategie africaine de<br>
> l'ICANN a eu lieu a Maurice du 27 au 28 Aout 2012. Elle a ete<br>
> facilitee par l'ICANN et AfriNIC.<br>
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> Le Groupe de 9 personnes (4 initiaux et 5 autres representants les<br>
> regions et constituantes de l'ICANN) a eu une rencontre fructueuse et<br>
> les documents de travail generes seront postes sur un site des la<br>
> semaine prochaine.La communaute disposera alors de 15 jours pour ses<br>
> commentaires et propositions, avant que le groupe ne finalise ses<br>
> recommandations.<br>
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> Le Groupe remercie ceux qui ont pri sur eux de remplir les<br>
> questionnaires. Sur la base de l'evaluation des questionnaires, et des<br>
> discussions tenues avec des representants de diveres constituantes<br>
> (Gouvernements, registres, registraires, registrants,ALAC et autres),<br>
> a pu mener ses discussions et retenir quelques objectifs strateiques,<br>
> des idees de projets ainsi que des criteres d'evaluation..Une decision<br>
> majeure du groupe est de poursuivre l'engagement avec la communaute<br>
> par le biais du site web. Merci donc de le visiter des la semaine<br>
> prochaine et d'y apporter vos remarques et suggestions.<br>
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> Enfin, pour votre information, nous attachons l'evaluation des<br>
> questionnaires recus.<br>
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> Sinceres salutations<br>
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> Pierre pour le ASWG<br>
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> NB : membre du Groupe : Maimouna Diop; Palesa Banda Legozi , Nii<br>
> Quaynor (Chair), Barrack Otieno; Alice Munyua; Mouhamet Diop; Tijani<br>
> Benjemaa; Michel Tchonang Linze; Pierre Dandjinou<br>
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