<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><blockquote style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px; "><div style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-size: 13.600000381469727px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; ">Lerato i would like to </span><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; ">inform you that while i was making my submissions on behalf of the</span></div><div style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-size: 13.600000381469727px; font-family: verdana,
helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; ">constituency i represent your boss was right opposite where i sat so</span></div><div style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-size: 13.600000381469727px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; ">do not mislead the community</span></div><div style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-size: 13.600000381469727px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "> </div></blockquote><div style="background-color: transparent; "><span style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.600000381469727px;">May I ask you who my boss is please? My boss was certainly not present.
Your accusation of misleading is therefore not warranted, even more so misleading on your part!.</span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.600000381469727px; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.600000381469727px; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; ">if you miss a meeting for any reason there is remote</span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.600000381469727px; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;
font-size: 16px; ">participation we should take advantage of but activism for the sake of</span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.600000381469727px; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; ">activism is not good i therefore urge you to take the first step and</span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.600000381469727px; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; ">participate in the process as part of activism other than complain and</span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.600000381469727px; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; ">point fingures.</span> </div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div></blockquote><div><span style="font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; background-color: transparent; "> If you have any clue and have been digesting any of the previous emails that were exchanged on this topic, you would not make a </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; background-color: transparent; ">blatant mistake o</span><span style="background-color: transparent; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">n your part on how the meeting was called, by whom, and who was excluded and not, let alone have remote participation. Therefore, next time you confidently ass-u-me on your
part I take it, do some due </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">diligence</span><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; "> on the matter and know your subject as well as before you give your </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">philosophical</span><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; "> advise? .- I say it is a bit </span><span style="font-size: 13.600000381469727px; ">embarrassing.</span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="background-color: transparent; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><span><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br></span></span></span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 10pt; "> </span>--Lerato Ma</div><div
style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.600000381469727px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Lerato <yes2dotafrica@dotconnectafrica.org>; africann@afrinic.net <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Mohamed El Bashir
<mbashir@mbash.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 7, 2012 9:03 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] RE: [AFRI-Discuss] Theme of the Toronto AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting<br> </font> </div> <br>Dr Yassin and Lerato,<br><br>It is my understanding there was no consensus on the "Africa Strategy" and<br>> has been widely reported at ICANN.<br>I would like to correct a few issues that are being ignorantly thrown<br>around, i sat in a meeting room in Prague where this issue was being<br>discussed and there was a call for volunteers, Lerato i would like to<br>inform you that while i was making my submissions on behalf of the<br>constituency i represent your boss was right opposite where i sat so<br>do not mislead the community. In the process members of the African<br>community themselves appointed volunteers among them to come up with a<br>common front or
strategy and i recall being tasked to be among the<br>people doing this role, there were many people in the room but few<br>volunteered. I also had a chance to meet the new CEO among many other<br>Africans and indeed he was concerned about our region, what we should<br>note is there are those who offered themselves to do the donkey work<br>for the community.<br>My point is as follows. If we are to move the community forwad let us<br>be involved, desktop activism without without involvement will not get<br>us anywhere if you miss a meeting for any reason there is remote<br>participation we should take advantage of but activism for the sake of<br>activism is not good i therefore urge you to take the first step and<br>participate in the process as part of activism other than complain and<br>point fingures. I leave you with Chinua Achebes words A man that makes<br>trouble for others also makes trouble for himself.<br><br>On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:54 AM,
Lerato <<a ymailto="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> ++1 Dr. Yassin<br>><br>> It is my understanding there was no consensus on the "Africa Strategy" and<br>> has been widely reported at ICANN. The organizers did not even send to this<br>> list the final working group that we should have added our names to<br>> participate or not, as they said they will do initially?<br>><br>> I agree in that, why should a regular meeting of ICANN gets sidelined on<br>> something that is imposed on it by "Africa Strategy", that which does not<br>> have consensus. It is a shame to see African initiatives at ICANN are<br>> going to run under protest, evidencing that Africans have no ability to<br>> coordinate! In the meantime, ICANN resource is being used to perform an<br>> outshine of one initiative over another.<br>><br>>
May I also request whatever concept note being developed for this<br>> "important" meeting be shared on this list ahead of time ( 2 weeks before<br>> minimum), so that the meeting does not hold a consensus without again<br>> consulting the content with us? I would assume the Africa opinion is not<br>> one that can afford to go to ICANN meetings. Expect a protest from me if<br>> this does not happen.<br>><br>> Kind regards,<br>><br>> --Lerato Ma<br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Dr Yassin Mshana <<a ymailto="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org" href="mailto:ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org">ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>> Cc: <a
ymailto="mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" href="mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>; Mohamed El Bashir<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:mbashir@mbash.net" href="mailto:mbashir@mbash.net">mbashir@mbash.net</a>><br>> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 5:14 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] RE: [AFRI-Discuss] Theme of the Toronto<br>> AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting<br>><br>> Dear fellow Africans,<br>><br>> As much as I like to discuss issues concerning Africa, may I ask why should<br>> these discussions happen during ICANN meetings?<br>><br>> The ICANN meetings are set to discuss global issues - if we Africans take<br>> advantage of the ICANN meeting to do our homework things will end up like<br>> the way the African Caucus meeting in Prague Meeting ended = there were no<br>> consultations - therefore a few individuals set up a 'Strategy for
Africa'<br>> notion to be presented during Toronto ICANN Meeting?? That is like building<br>> a castle on the sand - that is the Truth since consultations did no take<br>> place within Africans at large.<br>><br>> There is nothing to stop one (me) thinking that these impromptu African<br>> Group meetings during ICANN meetings week - are not effectively representing<br>> African interest and ambition BUT taking advantage of ICANN resources and<br>> that of Africans.<br>><br>> I had stuck out my neck to stop the 'Strategy for Africa' from being<br>> presented at ICANN Toronto meeting but that seems to be going ahead without<br>> Africans having their Say since there were no consultations - just a few<br>> Africans with resources provided to attend ICANN meetings took advantage to<br>> have a 'coffee break' discussion funded by someone else?<br>><br>> ICANN Meetings are meant for discussion on global issues
not venue for<br>> Africans or other discuss domestic issues. I therefore wish to discourage<br>> this statement from email below that,<br>> The meeting will be a good chance also for the community to discuss about<br>> our areas of focus and interest and how ICANN and the internet community<br>> could collaborate .<br>><br>> I do not mean to say anything but the Truth. If one attend ICANN meeting<br>> should go there with Global Agenda - African issues have AU venue for that<br>> not to use ICANN venue. Maybe ICANN Toronto meeting is different? No! ICANN<br>> resources are not for that..<br>><br>> If you will excuse me....<br>><br>> Kind regards<br>><br>> Yassin<br>><br>> On 7 September 2012 22:23, Victor Ndonnang <<a ymailto="mailto:ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org" href="mailto:ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org">ndonnang@isoc-cameroon.org</a>><br>> wrote:<br>><br>> +1<br>> I
totally agree with Mohamed. ICANN45 in Toronto will mark the launch or the<br>> presentation of ICANN's Strategy for Africa and It is important for<br>> AfrALO-AfrICANN community to keep focusing on that important initiative.<br>> The ICANN Africa Strategy working group (ICANN-ASWG) sent sometimes ago a<br>> questionnaire to this mailing list and I hope all of us took time to<br>> complete that questionnaire.<br>> So to join what Mohamed said, I suggest that our joint meeting in Toronto be<br>> an occasion to adopt a common statement on what can be the best ICANN<br>> strategy plan for Africa.<br>><br>> Best regards,<br>> Victor Ndonnang<br>> SG-ISOC Cameroon Chapter<br>> ICANN Fellow.<br>><br>> -----Message d'origine-----<br>> De : <a ymailto="mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
href="mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" href="mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] De la part de Mohamed<br>> El Bashir<br>> Envoyé : vendredi 7 septembre 2012 10:39<br>> À : Aziz Hilali<br>> Cc : <a ymailto="mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" href="mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>> Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Theme of the Toronto AFRALO-AfrICANN joint<br>> meeting<br>><br>> Dear Aziz, Colleagues<br>><br>> ICANN new CEO/Leadership has started focusing a new ICANN role in the<br>> developing world with special focus on Africa. Choosing Dr.Tarik
Kamil as an<br>> advisor and Dr.Nii is clear signals tof this new approach.<br>><br>> I suggest the meeting to focus on "ICANN Strategic Approach Towards Africa",<br>> we can invite ICANN CEO "Chedi", Tarik Kamil, Nii and others involved to<br>> give their prospective on how Africa can utilize this opportunity.<br>><br>> The meeting will be a good chance also for the community to discuss about<br>> our areas of focus and interest and how ICANN and the internet community<br>> could collaborate .<br>><br>> Kind Regards,<br>> Mohamed El Bashir<br>><br>> ( Sent by iPhone - apologies for any misspelling )<br>><br>> On 7 Sep 2012, at 00:21, Aziz Hilali <<a ymailto="mailto:hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr">hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> French below:<br>>><br>>> Dear all,<br>>> As we did during the previous ICANN<br>>> meetings, we will
discuss an issue or subject of interest to our<br>>> region at the scheduled AFRALO / AfrICANN meeting in Toronto. As a<br>>> result of this meeting, we will come out, as usual, with a common<br>>> statement on the above subject.<br>>><br>>> The aim of this message is to ask you to please, suggest a theme that<br>>> you think would be the most pertinent in this regard. We would<br>>> appreciate your proposal being sent before September 14. The subject<br>>> will be chosen on the basis of the importance of its support on the<br>>> two lists AfrICANN and AFRALO.<br>>><br>>> It should be noted that the interest of this tradition, which we<br>>> organize together since Brussels, is to express the point of view of<br>>> the African ICANN community on current issues and thus give more<br>>> visibility for our region.<br>>><br>>> Best Regards<br>>><br>>>
----------------------------------<br>>> Chers tous,<br>>><br>>> Comme nous l'avons fait au cours des précédentes réunions de l'ICANN,<br>>> nous allons organiser à Toronto la réunion conjointe AFRALO/AfrICANN<br>>> pour débattre d’une question ou d’un sujet d'intérêt pour notre<br>>> région. À la suite de cette réunion, nous allons sortir comme<br>>> d'habitude, avec une déclaration commune sur le sujet choisi.<br>>><br>>> Le but de ce message est de vous demander de bien vouloir proposer un<br>>> thème que vous pensez être le plus pertinent à cet égard. Nous<br>>> apprécierions que la proposition de thème soit envoyée avant 14<br>>> Septembre. Le sujet choisi devra avoir l’approbation des deux listes<br>>> AfrICANN et Afralo.<br>>><br>>> Il est à noter que l'intérêt de cette tradition que nous organisons<br>>> ensemble
depuis Bruxelles, est d'exprimer le point de vue de la<br>>> communauté africaine de l'ICANN sur les questions d'actualité et de<br>>> donner ainsi plus de visibilité pour notre région.<br>>><br>>><br>>> ============================<br>>> Aziz Hilali<br>>> Président de Isoc Maroc<br>>> www.misoc.org<br>>> B.P. 68 04,<br>>> Medinat Al Irfane,<br>>> Av. Allal Al Fassi Rabat - Maroc<br>>> Téléphone: + 212. 6 61 40 15 15=============================<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> AFRI-Discuss mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" href="mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>>> <a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss"
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