Well said Badru, i am not an old hand in this field but i have been hearing a lot of murmurs about the North, South , East and West which Pierre rightly pointed out as local politics and which are not good for our continent at this point in time, a house divided cannot stand and i think we have an obligation to ensure that we offer an opportunity for broader engagement, we don't necessarily need to consult everyone. As a way forwad we will endeavour to provide our input as an Internet Constituency, i hope the same approach can be replicated for the other stakeholders but lets speak with one voice.<br>
<br>Best Regards<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Badru Ntege <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yassin</div><div><br></div><div>Though I get your point we also have to be aware that the world will not sit around and wait for us Africans to get our act together making sure that everyone is consulted. The use of technology and the array of discussion lists around means that there is wide indirect consultation. The fact that we are discussing your concerns on a list viewed by thousands is testament to that fact.</div>
<div><br></div><div>We need to embrace the means we have and also be proactive. The members at ICANN 44 were proactive and seized the opportunity. They then used the means necessary to align the opportunity by widening the ad-hoc team membership and now seeking community input which is a journey to normalisation.</div>
<div><br></div><div>We are in a process so I think we need to be appreciative to those who seize the opportunity and then be supportive in guiding them through dialogue to achieve a win-win solution.</div><div><br></div><div>
Regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><span>Badru Ntege</span></div><div><span>CEO </span></div><div><span>NFT Consult Ltd </span></div><div><span><a href="http://Www.Nftconsult.com" target="_blank">Www.Nftconsult.com</a></span></div>
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</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 25 Jul 2012, at 01:17, Y Mshana2003 <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Hii..<div>Thank you for the explanation which made it clear that not all the information is shared widely before, during, and after any Africans Meetings?!! That is against the guidelines... There was no reason to rush in response to CEO's directive the way it was done.... There were time to flash an email to request for Inputs then... I wonder why that was not done? Was this shared within participants? The list of participants is available...</div>
<div><br></div><div>What made me raise all this is a simple fact that, what are we doing if such important information could not be shared in Good time when ICANN mtg was going on? </div><div>If it was not possible then, will mobile phone survey work? </div>
<div>My suggestion would be to inform the ICANN CEO that a proper consultation need to be made and report at appropriate time - could be after Toronto mtg since the process takes time (and the WG was self selected as it is obvious now therefore the information would not represent opinions from all Africans concerned)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Will that email to the CEO made public please? Thank you.</div><div>The meaning for all this is to paint the true picture of our participation and representation at ICANN mtgs and to absolve our interactions with ICANN from political organisations.</div>
<div>That is all I have for now on this issue.</div><div>Kind regards</div><div>Yassin(always for Africa!)</div><div><br><font>From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.</font> </div><br><br><br>Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br><br><div>Dear Yassin, Baudouin and Barrack!</div>
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<div>Thanks for the feedback on the questionnaires. Your different points suggest there is a flaw in the way we communicate within this African Icann community! If the minutes of the African meetings in Prague were circulated on the different lists, you probably would have noticed there is no exclusion whatesoever,nor any highjacking on representing Africa.</div>
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<div>I then hope the organizers of the 'African meetings at ICANN 44 in Prague will provide minutes and other detailed information.Btw, a special list was set up during the conference and I am copying this to it..</div>
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<div>I can only state that African participants to Icann were invited to a meeting with Icann Board and the incoming CEO. Those who could make it to the meeting did it, and were informed by the new CEO that he is keen to assist, and that an Africa specific strategy was needed by Next Icann meeting in Toronto in October. Participants then resolved to form a working group and three people were unanimously nominated..Tarek, Nii and myself..Then considerations on gender balance as well as regional representation were floated..with the addition of Maimouna Diop and Palesa Legoze..and still waiting for regional representatives to join..</div>
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<div>But these are our local politics I believe and meanwhile, the group has to deliver a draft Icann Africa Strategy by October. Hence the questionnaires.</div>
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<div>Additional means for collecting community expressions and needs including a web based survey and Mobile telephony,are being contemplated .Also, the questionnaires will be translated into french to provide further outreach and ease to our non English speaking community.</div>
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<div>I hope I have clarified and have given you additional reasons for filling out the questionnaires.</div>
<div>Best regards</div>
<div>Pierre</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Baudouin Schombe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baudouin.schombe@gmail.com" target="_blank">baudouin.schombe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span lang="en"><span>Hello</span><span>,</span><br><br><span>I am</span> <span>amazed</span> <span>every time</span> <span>we stay in</span> <span>the</span> <span>logic of exclusion</span> <span>to</span> <span>be a</span> <span>nomencltura</span><span>.</span> <span>It's good</span> <span>busness</span><span>.</span><br>
<br><span>Why</span><span>,</span> <span>if necessary</span><span>,</span> <span>establish a</span> <span>strategic group</span> <span>of ICANN</span> <span>for Africa</span> <span>without including</span> <span>ALS</span><span>?</span><br>
<br><span>I support</span> <span>the position of</span> <span>largment</span> <span>Yassin</span><span>.<br><br>Baudouin<br></span></span><br>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>My dear Brothers and Sisters,(can some one translate this liberally to<br>other languages please? - I could have written in Swahili..)<br><br>I am pleased to receive the solicitation for input to the Africa Strategic<br>
Plan. To me it is well over due - we have had NEPAD etc for this and that<br>in the past.<br><br>All in all, will all good intentions this is a positive move - I do not<br>means that previous initiatives have failed but there seems to be a<br>
duplication in this initiative - ICANN had established Regional Focal<br>Office at Policy level - is that history now?<br><br>My problem comes to this:<br><br>*>"The Working Group on Icann's strategy for Africa, which was established<br>
in Prague at ICANN 44 ....", <*<br><br>How was the Working Group constituted? and how did the idea come up? To say<br>the less, Not all Africans were at ICANN 44 meeting - I am sure I was not<br>there - it seems that the culture of' self-selection' has become a norm or<br>
has overcome us Africans? At lease there should have been a 'Selection<br>Procedure' for the Working Group - it is not a matter of Africans was<br>there in Prague who constitute all African voice or does it? I object to<br>
this if I may...<br><br>It is good to read that the WG....<br><br>*"... is administering the attached questionnaire as an additional meAs you<br>probably know, the Working Group is expected to deliver its preliminary<br>
findings and report outlines prior to ICANN 45 in Toronto"*<br><br>This sounds very good for a 'nominated Working Group' but here comes a<br>point where the issue of selecting become a major concern in terms of<br>
representation...<br><br>"....* collecting Africans' needs with regards to Icann's specific roles in<br>Africa, and africa's overall contribution to ICANN."*<br>* *<br>We need to have a representative and inclusive process for this procedure -<br>
I could respond to the questionnaire because I accessed it. That does not<br>mean that all Africans have access to it - the outreach of Mobile<br>Telephony is unique in Africa - was this message sent out through that<br>
media? At least I did not receive one - that is why I am raising this<br>question.<br><br>Lastly, it not about what ICANN should do to Africa - it should be what<br>should Africans to for ICANN since the ICANN we know needs Africa to be<br>
more actively represented!<br><br>I wish to stop by asking us to avoid representing Africa without Africans<br>knowing about it.<br><br>In that case, could the Questionnaire be posted widely including mobile<br>phone messages please?<br>
<br>I mean good for all, and please note that I am a supporter of all positive<br>initiatives for Africa!!<br><br>Kind regards<br><br>Yassin<br><br><br>On 23 July 2012 14:03, Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>> Dear Colleagues,<br>><br>> The Working Group on Icann's strategy for Africa, which was established in<br>> Prague at ICANN 44 , is administering the attached questionnaire as an<br>> additional means for collecting Africans' needs with regards to Icann's<br>
> specific roles in Africa, and africa's overall contribution to ICANN.<br>><br>> As you probably know, the Working Group is expected to deliver its<br>> preliminary findings and report outlines prior to ICANN 45 in Toronto.<br>
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