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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/07/2012 16:37, Dr Yassin Mshana
wrote:<br>
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type="cite">Hello Africans,
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<div>I think we are getting somewhere now. <br>
<br>
How comes no one knows anything about <.africa> issues in
the past? <br>
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It's simple - they came after this happened, or their memories are
fading.<br>
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<div>Can we accurate please? That will be the misleading
information that I had mentioned to Rebecca. <br>
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Agreed - which is why I'm providing references (which took some time
to dig up).<br>
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<div>I know and remember that the issue of <.africa> did not
come up and should not have been considered by ccTLD (ccNSO)
constituent since there is and was gTLD Constituent which was
responsible for that issue. <br>
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Not entirely correct.<br>
There was a DNSO (Domain Name Support Organisation) which had
several 'constituencies'. Only later did the cc's organise into a
separate Supporting Organisation (I think it was first mooted in
Stockholm). So, basically, the cc's only had a 'separate' voice
later. Until the ccNSO was formed, everything they did was
channelled through the DNSO, now the GNSO.<br>
As I mainly hung out in the cc group, it was the logical place for
me to get some opposition to what was, in my eyes, a recolonisation
attempt.<br>
I was not alone in this effort - and lots of other people, Africans
and non-Africans were involved in this opposition.<br>
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<div>May I suggest that we provide accurate information please? If
one does not know - just say so please - the issues was beyond
your mandate. Fellow Africans, let us be professional by giving
accurate information to the journalist please! No room for
anything else but a True Story...</div>
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<br>
Well - you're welcome to believe a woman who arrived half way on the
scene, and implemented a business plan which I outlined to her in a
lunch meeting in São Paulo in 2006, and subsequently claimed the
idea as her own.<br>
<br>
Or, you could go look at the records (which admittedly takes time).<br>
<br>
It was only when I saw clear errors which were going to put forward
that I felt the need to spend the hour or two doing research to get
substantiation.<br>
<br>
And I did outline the stuff which I've substantiated above to
'Becky. Although I got my initial dates wrong by a year.<br>
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regards<br>
<br>
--Calvin<br>
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<div>May I request this to apply in everything we communicate? It
is impossible one to know everything....or it is?</div>
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<div>That is all for now on this</div>
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<div>Yassin (Neutral and 24/7 for Africa!!)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 2 July 2012 12:19, Calvin Browne <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:calvin@orange-tree.alt.za" target="_blank">calvin@orange-tree.alt.za</a>></span>
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<div class="im">On 02/07/2012 13:10, Calvin Browne wrote:<br>
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On 28/06/2012 13:24, Dandjinou Pierre wrote:<br>
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Rebecca,<br>
<br>
Good you are writing the history of .Africa<br>
<br>
To my knowledge, there has not been any application
for the .Africa<br>
string, apart from those we now have with the new gTLD
programme.<br>
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There was an actual application in one of the previous
rounds. The applicant even paid a fee, but never came to
present.<br>
<br>
I personally helped to pen the GAC' s opposition
statement to this application. This statement was, if
memory serves me right, actually adopted by the Country
Code TLD Registry Constituency, as it was then known,
largely intact.<br>
<br>
Herewith the application list concerned:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://archive.icann.org/en/tlds/tld-applications-lodged-02oct00.htm"
target="_blank">http://archive.icann.org/en/tlds/tld-applications-lodged-02oct00.htm</a><br>
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regards<br>
<br>
--Calvin<br>
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>From <br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111500.html"
target="_blank">http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111500.html</a>
- the cc's report was summarised (Ben Edelmann had a habit
of summing up what was actually said) as "African ICANN
participants: Urge vigilance when delegating regional TLDs,
especially regions without a developed Internet community. "<br>
<br>
Also:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111400.html"
target="_blank">http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111400.html</a><br>
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"<br>
C. ccTLD Constituency: Past 2 days with over 40 ccTLDs
present, got substantial and sometimes unanimous consensus
on 4 items. Materials at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wwtld.org" target="_blank">http://www.wwtld.org</a>
.<br>
1. Contract for services between ccTLDs and ICANN.<br>
2. Discussed �best practice� document. Further discussion at
10:30.<br>
3. Object to regional geographic names for new TLDs
(�.africa�).<br>
"<br>
<br>
Seems even the ISP constituency got on board:<br>
<br>
"<br>
D. ISP Constituency: Tony Harris presenting.<br>
<SNIP><br>
4. New gTLDs: Aware of concerns about .africa. Advise
careful and deliberate rollout of new TLDs to cope with land
rush problems. Concerned that review may have been biased.
Expenses of process should be made public.<br>
"<br>
<br>
I can't find the GAC's letter - they had a habit of storing
it on a separate server.<br>
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regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
--Calvin</font></span>
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