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Hi Lerato,<br><br>Unfortunately, I'm even more confused now.<br><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">I agree with your confusion, but I doubt clarity is something you will get from where you sit. You will have to be patient and wait and see.</span><br><br>On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Lerato Mamboleo <<a ymailto="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Dear All-<br>><br>> I would like to make few points for the record:<br>><br>> 1 - I believe this letter that is circulating has been addressed by DCA to AU immediately after DCA has received it and copied to the relevant authorities.<br><br>I don't think that is in dispute, is it? If not, why bring it up?<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">It was brought up because it has been
marketed by people that we did not disclose it to. The only reason we even
put the response on the website is because it was copied to external party I,e
ICANN, whereas the original letter from
the Chairman was not. The copying
to external party was to allow for the circulation and intended to block our
effort. If it was well-intended, the communication should have remained
between concerned parties. So, that is why we had to be forced to disclosed
our response publicly as well. Otherwise there are many internal communications that takes place.</span><br>><br></div>> Additionally our response to AU is communicated publicly on DCA website. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.dotconnectafrica.org">www.dotconnectafrica.org</a>.<br><br>this is not in dispute either, is it?<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">answer is provided above.</span><br></div><br>> DCA is not obliged to post all internal communications on our site that which we manage with our various endorsers, as this is work in progress.<br>I've not seen anything in this thread that alluded to that, if you<br>have, could you point it out to me?<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">It seems that the argument back and forth and distributing
of letters from unauthorized sources is in provocation of that. And
we will not participate in that channel.</span><br></div><br>I for one, would love to see the original "mandate" from the AU to<br>DCA.....Could you post it please?<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Do you know what a "mandate" is? </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">You also just answered your
own question.</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"> Your request for disclosure contradicts your own comment above where you said, "...have not seen in this thread that alluded to that...." , </span><br></div>><br>> 2- To response to earlier comment by Dr Yassin, on the AUC Deputy, there seems to be a great confusion with our Continental organization on how .africa should be handled.<br><br>It seems they have decided the way forward now, - a Task Force.<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">That is part of the confusion...</span><br></div><br>> Just to give benefit of doubt and not speak on behalf - a Deputy who may have been told on how the process should be.<br>><br>> 3- The decision still remains in ICANN's hand and not African Union. AUC or AU is not going to bypass international rules to be the arbitrator for the process. ICANN has published this process in the guidebook,
which apply across the world. We cannot expect special treatment for Africa and DCA as a major player in this application process, will insist to stick to the rules.<br>Well, yes, and the proposed rules state:<br><br>"In the case of an application for a string appearing<br>on either of the lists above, documentation of<br>support will be required from at least 60% of the<br>respective national governments in the region, and<br>there may be no more than one written statement<br>of objection to the application from relevant<br>governments in the region and/or public authorities<br>associated with the continent or the region."<br><br>So it would make sense that one would try to have the<br>continent-wide body try to get some consensus around this issue, no?<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">All paths to hell are paved with good intention, in this
case the "consensuses" to what? Approval
to do what? You have not
separated the orange from the apple in this case. Again, we shall leave
that job to ICANN</span>.<br></div><br>What really confuses me most is DCA's many prior claims to a mandate<br>from the AU, but now you say the AU will not be "arbitrator for the process."<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Again, you also keep raising the same question. What is a "mandate" for
you? There is no process for AU to arbitrate; nor can DCA do that. ICANN
is the arbitrator of the process. Do you know what "arbitration is
'?</span><br></div><br>I suggest that you cannot have it both ways, can you?<br><br><div style="margin-left: 80px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">can they?</span><br></div><br>> 4- DCA is in continuous communication with the African Union and positively engaged with the Chairman’s office, where DCA relieved its endorsement<br><br>What does this mean?<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">oops spell ck?, meant to say "received vs relieved"</span><br></div>
<br>to provide clarity to this confusion; unfortunately DCA has also been<br>busy on the ground delivering, since AU even during a recent meeting<br>has assured us that none of the letters they have issued should stop<br>us from continuing our work (meeting minutes can be provided).<br><br>Please do provide for clarity.<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">That clarity is in the whole statement, you may want to read it again, unless of course that you are again "alluding" to ask for disclosure, that which you claimed above no one is asking.</span><br></div><br>> 5-The posting by DCA for the ICANN Board seat 15 was done at the appropriate forum,<br><br>appropriate forum, inappropriate content. Really, in the Internet<br>governance world, we do not behave in such a manner.<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Does content on internet governance selectively applies
to particular group or
organization, or email group? Did you support the same view during the
recent "inappropriate content" in Kicktnet, where you are also a
member, or here on AfriICANN earlier on this email? In this case, how can you have the
credence to say to define "what is inappropriate" or not.? </span><br></div><br> > which is the currently ongoing, so everyone has a right to air<br>their opinion on that forum. DCA did not circulate the posting<br>inappropriately,<br><br>Since the question of potential conflict by Candidates had already<br>been addressed on the at-large workspace, I do consider it an<br>inappropriate posting.<br><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"><br></span><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">That was a pre-empted question/answer, even before our posting. The candidate should have disclosed his COI in
his SOI, as per ICANN rule. If not, he has exposed himself
to the 8 counts of COI that we have stated. Legitimate concerns and facts can
be presented anytime. Rules are also meant to be followed.</span><br></div><br>> unlike those who have taken the privilege of circulating unauthenticated letters that has not even been addressed to them.<br><br>Are you saying that the letter from the AU is not authentic?<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">your question can be answered if you read the letter cautiously again.</span><br></div><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">
</span><br>> I think respect starts with using appropriate channel of communication and doing the right thing.<br><br>I agree with the above. However, I do not believe DCA did the 'right<br>thing' in this instance.<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">You as the supporter of the Candidate in question, and may feel that way about it, but not
everyone may share that view with you in reality.</span><br></div><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 96, 191);">Am afraid McTim, and due respect your question may be valid, however unless you
are not appointed to be an arbitrator between ICANN/AU/DCA or any other that
you may have not disclosed, It makes no sense to clarify further on this issue
that deals with competing gtlds and who is the best application or not to the proper authorities. Again,
the decision is not ours, there is a process that will determine that and is called
guidebook, and we should leave that to ICANN, the decision maker</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 96, 191);">. - Thank you. LM.</span><br></div><br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>_______________________________________________<br>AfrICANN mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net" href="mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net">AfrICANN@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann</a><br></div><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b><br></div>
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