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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please, I suggest to folks to stop debating
something which is obviously wrong, manipulative and potentially destrucutive
for the success, however little, Africa has achieved. I bet you the African
success story on Internet was not achieved this way by writing to board
members behind the scenes etc. but by genuine open bottom up discussions nor was
it achieved by countries banning policy meetings because someone wants a TLD, an
obvious misunderstanding. We miss acquiring knowledge we honestly need.
Infact, some governments contributed significant sums of money, moral
support etc instead.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What are people really afraid off? join together
and talk to build consensus.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Trust me, there will be only ONE dotafrica so the
sooner we stop the bickering, i am on this side, you are on that side
etc, and do the real work the better. There is a lot work ahead if we
are honest and appreciate the engineering, policy and business considerations
here. ...and no body will do it for us, Africans, if you dream
international business folks will do this job you are in for a surprise. We,
Africans, have to do it ALL and it will be based on consensus (ie. what we can
all live with) and it will be a community based proposal not a government
proposal. The normal african politics of the winner takes all and
kills everything in sight for selfish interests, does not work in the
Internet community simply because we are very bottomup. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So therefore, which part of the dot africa project
do we want to talk about or relevant here? have we read the new process? is
it favorable to an African proposal? how do we make it benefit the community?
can we put our money where our mouth is? ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nii</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nyosef@dotconnectafrica.org
href="mailto:nyosef@dotconnectafrica.org">nyosef@dotconnectafrica.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=africann@afrinic.net
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:42
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [AfrICANN-discuss] RE: Is this
becoming a joke?</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dear Mr. Tsebele -</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>From your last name, I gather you are from South Africa.
Also, since you did not introduce yourself, I went ahead and googled
the name and the name is associated as someone who works in a
library in South Africa. I may be wrong on both counts, if so, I stand
corrected. I have attempted to clarify the further understanding
you requested on the list below.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"... But when I have come into the ICANN community, I have talked to
Anne-Rachel<BR>and Mouhamet Diop, and in an effort not to duplicate any
other initiatives, we<BR>have decided to continue putting this initiative
together". I <FONT color=#ff0000>read </FONT>this as if she has requested
</DIV>
<DIV>the support of some ICANN officials for her initiative including Anne
Rachel ... knowing </DIV>
<DIV>that there could be conflict of Interest?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I believe you "read" wrong. What that statement says and the
intent is that the Principal who you pointed out, went to staff of ICANN
for querying on the status of initiating a 'dotafrica' project, and was
not informed by ICANN staff that there was other active project,
therefore the consensus was made to go-ahead.
Despite, the incident has nothing to do with your use of 'conflict of
interest' analogy. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>This same person again, on the powerpoint of her dotAfrica
initiative at:<BR><A href="http://www.dotafrica.blogspot.com/" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.dotafrica.blogspot.com/</A>on page 14 have listed
Afristar Organisations<BR>such as AfriNIC as interested Sponsors
... </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The slides presented took account of all the want-to be players in the
dotafrica initiative, including the various registries and organizations who
expressed interested at that time. The slides are not intended to
present who qualifies and who does not. Dated 2007, it was the 1st
presentation in ICANN to allow for a fair debate of the initiative.
Since, everyone has run along with their own proposals. </DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So After attacking AfriNIC, now she is attacking ICANN staff. Is she
really<BR>serious about what she is doing? I <FONT color=#ff0000>guess
</FONT>the next time it won't be the whole </DIV>
<DIV>Technical community which will sue. </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes, we are very serious about what we are doing and we intend to correct
anyone and everyone when they are doing wrong. However, you may go ahead
and sue, but make sure you have merit and grounds for doing so and not based
on what you <FONT color=#ff0033>"reads" </FONT>and your "<FONT
color=#ff0033>guesses",</FONT>which are the basis of your arguments so
far. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Africa Friends let be careful about which image we are showing of
our dear<BR>continent! I don't know who that lady is, but please stop her
for creating so much <BR>confusion and damage to people who are trying to do
things.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A better image of Africa can start from you by not forwarding
an email that was sent to you as 'Confidential', which is considered
highly unprofessional and highly unethical by any standard.
Admittedly, having not met or known the work of the
Principal, your lashing attacks falls under same. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I hope I have clarified your confusion. For those who are
interested in the fair debate of dotafrica, bear with us as we teach
the principles of conducting the ethos of business and
communications one cheerleader at a time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif">Sincerely</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif">Nebiyu</DIV>
<DIV>_____________________</DIV>
<DIV>Nebiyu Yosef</DIV>
<DIV>Project Coordinator (DotAfrica)</DIV>
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<DIV>From: <B class=gmail_sendername>Louis Tsebele</B><FONT dir=ltr><<A
onclick="return true;Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=johntselebe%40gmail.com');; return false;"
href="mailto:johntselebe@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow
_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">johntselebe@gmail.com</A>></FONT><BR>Date:
2008/11/4<BR>Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Is this becoming a joke?<BR>To: <A
onclick="return true;Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=africann%40afrinic.net');; return false;"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow
_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">africann@afrinic.net</A><BR><BR><BR>I
think thers is a need for further understanding on this list and in the
community of <BR> what is going on about the so called
dotArica project. I come across the message <BR>below from Sophia Bekele about
a supposedly Interference of ICANN staff in DotAfrica
<BR>initiative!<BR><BR>The lady is complaining about the interference of Ms.
Richell in the dot Africa<BR>initiative (well first of all this is still an
initiative and not a bid nor a proposal so I see no <BR>point to start with)
but this looks strange for me since that same person Sophia has
<BR>publicly stated during ICANN meeting in Paris something
like:<BR><BR>"... But when I have come into the ICANN community, I have talked
to Anne-Rachel<BR>and Mouhamet Diop, and in an effort not to duplicate any
other initiatives, we<BR>have decided to continue putting this initiative
together". I read this as if she has requested </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV>the support of some ICANN officials for her initiative including Anne
Rachel ... knowing </DIV>
<DIV>that there could be conflict of Interest?<BR><BR><A
href="https://par.icann.org/files/paris/Paris-ICANNPublicForum-25JUN08.txt"
target=_blank rel=nofollow
_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><A
href="https://par.icann.org/files/"
target=_blank>https://par.icann.org/files/</A><WBR>paris/Paris-ICANNPublicForum-<WBR>25JUN08.txt</A><BR><BR>This
same person again, on the powerpoint of her dotAfrica initiative
at:<BR><A href="http://www.dotafrica.blogspot.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow
_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><A
href="http://www.dotafrica.blogspot/"
target=_blank>http://www.dotafrica.blogspot/</A>.<WBR>com/</A>on page 14 have
listed Afristar Organisations<BR>such as AfriNIC as interested Sponsors
... but on other hand she seems to </DIV>
<DIV>be the one behind the ban of AfriNIC meeting in Ethiopia because of
AfriNIC </DIV>
<DIV>suporting the Afstar dotAfrica proposal... <BR><BR>So After
attacking AfriNIC, now she is attacking ICANN staff. Is she really<BR>serious
about what she is doing? I guess the next time it won't be the whole
</DIV>
<DIV>Technical community which will sue. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Dear Africa Friends let be careful about which image we are showing
of our dear<BR>continent! I don't know who that lady is, but please stop her
for creating so much <BR>confusion and damage to people who are trying to do
things.<BR><BR>=====<BR clear=all></DIV>
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<DIV>From: Sophia Bekele <<A
onclick="return true;Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=sophiabekele%40yahoo.com');; return false;"
href="mailto:sophiabekele@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow
_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sophiabekele@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Date:
31 October 2008 00:00:22 GMT+02:00<BR>To: <snip><BR>Subject: Complaint
letter - Interference of ICANN staff in the DotAfrica
initiative<BR><BR><snip>-<BR><BR>How are you? <BR><BR>My guy sent this
email<BR>accidental including your names in the Board list. I gave him
your<BR>address, cause I wanted you to be informed since dotafrica
is<BR>gtld, however, we were suppose to sent it via a separate cc.
<BR><BR>Since we do not want to antagonize the Board,<BR>we want to give
them a chance to respond before it goes anywhere, so<BR>I wish to
express this to you by sending you this separate email and for this<BR>info
is not to be for public consumption at this time.<BR><BR>Therefore, can you
please keep this info<BR>CONFIDENTIAL?<BR><BR>Thank you ahead and see you
all in Cairo.<BR><BR>Respectfully,<BR>Sophia<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Forwarded
Message ----<BR>From: <snip></DIV>
<DIV>To:<snip><BR>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:44:06
PM<BR>Subject: VERY URGENT- CONFIDENTIAL: Complaint letter - Interference of
ICANN<BR>staff in the DotAfrica initiativeVery<BR><BR>29<BR>October 2008
<BR><BR>Hon. Chairman, Peter Dengate
Thrush: <WBR> <WBR>
<BR><BR>I have been instructed by Sophia Bekele,<BR>Executive Director of
DotAfrica project to send to you<BR>the attached document regarding the
above subject Complaint letter - Interference of ICANN staff in the
DotAfrica initiative<BR><BR>The email attachment contains the
following<BR>and we have sent a corresponding fax to your
office:<BR>
<BR>Letter of complaint for
DotAfrica<BR>
Forensic<BR>and media evidence on Ms. Richells activities in collaboration
with Afri*<BR>sabotaging our DotAfrica
initiative<BR> <BR>A carbon copy of the above
documents have<BR>been sent via email and fax to the following
individuals:<BR> * Distinguished
Board of Directors, Internet Corporation for Assigned Nams & Numbers
(ICANN )<BR> * Ombudsman Office,
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
<BR> * Mr.Nebiyu Yosef, B.S; MSEE,
Coordinator (dot.africa)<BR> *
Mr.Ephrem Beyene, B.S., Secretary (dot.africa)<BR>Please your Hon., accept
Ms. Bekele's regards. <BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>--------------<BR>Project Coordinator (DotAfrica)<BR><A
onclick="return true;Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=nyosef%40dotconnectafrica.org');; return false;"
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href="http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/" target=_blank rel=nofollow
_onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><A
href="http://www.dotconnectafrica/"
target=_blank>http://www.dotconnectafrica/</A>.<WBR>org/</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>--
<BR>John L. Tselebe<BR>Internet Policy Analyst<BR>ACFI - Internet for all in
Africa<BR></DIV>
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