[AfrICANN-discuss] AfrICANN Digest, Vol 123, Issue 1

Remmy Nweke remmyn at gmail.com
Mon May 1 18:01:12 UTC 2017 

I think there is nothing wrong in switching erring government off, it will
amount to making a statement, for at least signify action​ for going
against set norm, which may motivate CSO and citizens to know they are not
alone.

On 1 May 2017 10:40, <africann-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

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Today's Topics:

   1. Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for       internet shutdown
      (Christopher Momanyi)
   2. Re: Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet
      shutdown (waudo siganga)
   3. Re: Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet
      shutdown (Noah)
   4. Re: Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet
      shutdown (Badru Ntege)
   5. Re: Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet
      shutdown (Badru Ntege)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:58:57 +0300
From: Christopher Momanyi <momanyichris at gmail.com>
To: AfrICANN list <africann at afrinic.net>
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States
        for     internet shutdown
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I found this interesting

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html

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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:46:06 +0300
From: waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
To: Christopher Momanyi <momanyichris at gmail.com>, AfrICANN list
        <africann at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish
        States for internet shutdown
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I'm not sure how tit-for-tat will work. Secondly, how do you technically
identify the addresses being used by government; even if you block all
addresses assigned to .go.ke domains for example, you will be surprised
many government departments run their mail on yahoo, etc. Any attempt at
switching off government is just like throwing stones at a beehive. Also
one has to take into account the impact on wananchi who rely
on government online services. This is a typical case of "there is a
problem, do something, anything. Because doing nothing you will be
damned". I prefer the CS suggestion of dialogue on such issues rather
than switching off government networks in retaliation.
W.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017, at 05:58 PM, Christopher Momanyi wrote:
> I found this interesting
>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:33:33 +0300
From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
To: AfrICANN list <africann at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish
        States for internet shutdown
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Some policies are just a waste of time...

On 30 Apr 2017 8:53 p.m., "waudo siganga" <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure how tit-for-tat will work. Secondly, how do you technically
> identify the addresses being used by government; even if you block all
> addresses assigned to .go.ke domains for example, you will be surprised
> many government departments run their mail on yahoo, etc. Any attempt at
> switching off government is just like throwing stones at a bee
> hive. Also one has to take into account the impact on wananchi who rely on
> government online services. This is a typical case of "there is a problem,
> do something, anything. Because doing nothing you will be damned". I
prefer
> the CS suggestion of dialogue on such issues rather than switching off
> government networks in retaliation.
>
> W.
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017, at 05:58 PM, Christopher Momanyi wrote:
>
> I found this interesting
>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html
>
> Regards
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:48:11 +0300
From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
To: AfrICANN Community List <africann at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish
        States for internet shutdown
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Unintended consequences of the Bottom up process, anyone can come up with
an idea as baseless as it may be it goes through the peer review process,
which hopefully will be rejected by the community since it does not make
sense.

The problem is while it has life going through the process those not aware
of the policy development process can think it is how the community is
thinking since at time the promoters might choose to use external avenues
for publicity reasons.

We can never plug all these avenues that can bring disrepute to our AfriNIC
community, Nor can we normalize members intent.

However I note the Cabinet secretary?s disappointment that the authors are
from his juristiction.  I want to also add the disappointment that the
authors are supposed to have been well versed with the mandate and
responsibility of an organization like AfriNIC.  They are also office
bearers or have stood to become office bearers in the past.

As a community we need to be very active in selecting who we hand the
mantle to lead our organization that opportunity comes up once every year
in the AGM that will be held in Nairobi next month.

I urge members to be active, we cannot control much what individual members
propose but when we have office bearers and prospective bearers pushing
individual or commercial agendas as the article seems to denote we need to
keep those members away from holding any AfriNIC office.

The future of our next generation cannot be left in those pushing self
interest to the point of opening a battlefront with our African Governments.

Badru Ntege

On 4/30/17, 11:33 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

Some policies are just a waste of time...

On 30 Apr 2017 8:53 p.m., "waudo siganga" <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
I'm not sure how tit-for-tat will work. Secondly, how do you technically
identify the addresses being used by government; even if you block all
addresses assigned to .go.ke domains for example, you will be surprised
many government departments run their mail on yahoo, etc. Any attempt at
switching off government is just like throwing stones at a bee
hive. Also one has to take into account the impact on wananchi who rely on
government online services. This is a typical case of "there is a problem,
do something, anything. Because doing nothing you will be damned". I prefer
the CS suggestion of dialogue on such issues rather than switching off
government networks in retaliation.

W.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017, at 05:58 PM, Christopher Momanyi wrote:
I found this interesting

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html

Regards
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:48:11 +0300
From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
To: AfrICANN Community List <africann at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish
        States for internet shutdown
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Unintended consequences of the Bottom up process, anyone can come up with
an idea as baseless as it may be it goes through the peer review process,
which hopefully will be rejected by the community since it does not make
sense.

The problem is while it has life going through the process those not aware
of the policy development process can think it is how the community is
thinking since at time the promoters might choose to use external avenues
for publicity reasons.

We can never plug all these avenues that can bring disrepute to our AfriNIC
community, Nor can we normalize members intent.

However I note the Cabinet secretary?s disappointment that the authors are
from his juristiction.  I want to also add the disappointment that the
authors are supposed to have been well versed with the mandate and
responsibility of an organization like AfriNIC.  They are also office
bearers or have stood to become office bearers in the past.

As a community we need to be very active in selecting who we hand the
mantle to lead our organization that opportunity comes up once every year
in the AGM that will be held in Nairobi next month.

I urge members to be active, we cannot control much what individual members
propose but when we have office bearers and prospective bearers pushing
individual or commercial agendas as the article seems to denote we need to
keep those members away from holding any AfriNIC office.

The future of our next generation cannot be left in those pushing self
interest to the point of opening a battlefront with our African Governments.

Badru Ntege

On 4/30/17, 11:33 PM, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

Some policies are just a waste of time...

On 30 Apr 2017 8:53 p.m., "waudo siganga" <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
I'm not sure how tit-for-tat will work. Secondly, how do you technically
identify the addresses being used by government; even if you block all
addresses assigned to .go.ke domains for example, you will be surprised
many government departments run their mail on yahoo, etc. Any attempt at
switching off government is just like throwing stones at a bee
hive. Also one has to take into account the impact on wananchi who rely on
government online services. This is a typical case of "there is a problem,
do something, anything. Because doing nothing you will be damned". I prefer
the CS suggestion of dialogue on such issues rather than switching off
government networks in retaliation.

W.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017, at 05:58 PM, Christopher Momanyi wrote:
I found this interesting

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html

Regards
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