[AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

[Dr Yassin Mshana]

Well done!
That is where the issue is - and hence my asking questions. Just ignore my
quizzing habit.

On 15 September 2012 16:49, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:

> Please read the terms of reference aswg signed on to with ICANN and the
> accompanying joint schedule which are all at the website
>
> ....and get factual
>
> Nii (chair, aswg)
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2012, at 16:08, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Many thanks Lerato for this.
>
> It is good to see that are now approaching the 1st step of this process,
>
> Kind regards
>
> Yassin
>
>
> On 15 September 2012 01:32, Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> +1 Dr. Yassin,
>>
>> and the directive or request by the CEO was not a fire-fighting
>> order....I am sure it meant that Africans should consider doing that - not
>> to form a Group without necessary consultations back home - this happened
>> in Prague where Africans were represented - why not take the message 'home'
>> for consideration? This where the issue began - I for one fail to believe
>> that the CEO meant that a small Group be formed..,,??
>>
>> It is well known the CEO did not have any directive when he was asked to
>> participate in the Prague meeting, nor did he ask for an Africa Strategy.As
>> was admittedly stated by the same group before on this email list by way
>> of clarification,   - we took opportunity during the meeting to suggest
>> the Africa strategy and the CEO in fact asked for one person as a
>> direct liaison to him and the group decided to make it more than one, thus
>> the election process -  If this was what was said to us before, how come
>> it is now represented as the CEO asked for strategy and or the African
>> Board selected the group.   It is becoming a circus, different people
>> saying different things at different times.
>>
>> It probing this issue of Prague further, it is now my understanding the
>> Africa Strategy was suppose to be a continuation of Dakar's list of items
>> that was requested by African Union to ICANN and the Sr. Officials of ICANN
>> clarified to certain group that particular meeting in Prague was an AU
>> meeting, which for some reason now, AU is out of the picture ( I have a
>> feeling a complaint was made of AU's direct affiliation with .africa
>> bid), then the musical chair winner of the new face of the Africa Strategy
>> became AfriNic by default).
>>
>> Therefore, as I see it, not only there was an issue of selection of the
>> small group, there could have been an issue as to who should own it, since
>> AU is not longer there.  Hence, the new concern that should be noted now is
>> the winner of these musical chair of the Africa strategy should not
>> get involved in the implementation of such strategy and would have to be
>> done entirely by a different team, org etc, as COI will definitively be as
>> issue in the implementation.
>>
>> These are my thoughts in hindsight,  and one I suggest should be taken
>> seriously as an input to the ICANN-ASWG.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> --Lerato Ma
>>
>>    ------------------------------
>> *From:* Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> *Cc:* "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2012 4:28 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thank you for this - I read it and was waiting for an acceptable
>> description of this process.
>> A small Objection for now:
>>
>> *3-The ICANN Africa strategy has nothing to do with our
>> national/regional ICT strategies which a few of us have been helping
>> African countries develop these last years*
>>
>> Some effort has bean made in this area of work in order to gain a place
>> in National Priorities (wasted energy?) .....Could someone explain why this
>> disjoint? Let alone having National Strategies - there are some of our
>> countries without a National Policy. Why not start with that? How far did
>> the ICANN Regional Bureaus/ Offices go to help in this?
>>
>> Well well, Points 1 & 2 need to be clarified as well - and the directive
>> or request by the CEO was not a fire-fighting order....I am sure it meant
>> that Africans should consider doing that - not to form a Group without
>> necessary consultations back home - this happened in Prague where Africans
>> were represented - why not take the message 'home' for consideration? This
>> where the issue began - I for one fail to believe that the CEO meant that a
>> small Group be formed..,,??
>>
>> After all why is this discussion taking place now? There is a homework to
>> do - not only to analyse documents and information gathered.
>>
>> Here we go..... Africa!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Yassin
>>
>>
>> On 14 September 2012 21:47, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>
>> Repost FYI
>>
>> From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
>> Date: September 14, 2012 8:26:58 GMT
>> To: africann at afrinic.net
>> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] ASWG outputs : Clarifications
>> Reply-To: africann at afrinic.net
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> As you are taking time to go through the documents that were posted by
>> the ASWG, I think these clarifications are in order, to contextualize
>> what we seek to achieve as Africans participants to ICANN
>>
>> 1- The Africa Strategy document was a request by the incoming CEO, who
>> wanted to have a special strategy for Africa;
>> 2- As per the timeline that has been posted, Africans should deliver
>> the outlines of the strategy by October and then ICANN will take it
>> from there to develop the Africa strategy
>> 3-The ICANN Africa strategy has nothing to do with our
>> national/regional ICT strategies which a few of us have been helping
>> African countries develop these last years
>> 4-Thus, your inputs are important for the outlines to be delivered to
>> ICANN in the specified timeline (end of September/early October)
>> 5-Finally, this is not the end of it , as sessions have been planned
>> to futher discuss the strategy in Totonto, .and also online.
>>
>> So, what is requested NOW is that we go through the posted documents,
>> concentrate on the strategic Objectives, propose your owm priority
>> list and provide further comments and recommendations if any, to help
>> cover all Africans' needs in the ICANN Africa Strategy for coming
>> three years..
>>
>> I hope this clarifies..
>> Regards
>> Pierre
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 21:13, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Oga Nii,
>>
>> It is pleasing to see that - I am being invited ;-) to share opinions
>> that would be of benefit to us. I am afraid I do not need to be invited
>> since I will always do my bets for Africa and never expected a recognition.
>>
>> I respectively asked a 2 questions and no credible answers - the answers
>> to those two questions might be the foundation to build on i.e. How to get
>> Africans engaged/involved in everything done for Africa? A big mistake was
>> done by not inviting Africans in forming the Group - it is just a matter of
>> principle and respect - that is why I will keep asking asking "Why the
>> Rush". In addition, it would be a gesture of good  will if the 'Group' had
>> called for nominations for the African Strategy W/Group - to be
>> more rhetoric, maybe the name would have been changed to a "Team" instead
>> of a "Group"
>>
>> Ownership of this important process by all Africans is as important as
>> the work being done. Where has African natural Diplomacy gone?
>>
>> Let us be strategic in the approach to this Strategy - there should be no
>> grumbles or boasting by anyone. I would like things to be done with
>> concurrence and by a 'Team' not a 'Group'. We have to consider 'emotional'
>> intelligence not only 'intellectual' intelligence and skills....
>>
>> Have a nice weekend everyone.
>>
>> Yassin
>>
>> On 14 September 2012 01:12, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dr Yassin,
>>
>> Good now we have put something we can work with and I'll like you to send
>> that as input to the icann-aswg for some folk to explore
>>
>> Note however ICT is larger and could go too far. I am aware however some
>> are looking at IGF and country/subregional /regional IGF alignment
>>
>> Thanks
>> Nii
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 0:50, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just a small advice: why dont the Group start with collecting Strategies
>> from African countries - just to begin with then build from there?
>> Or maybe ICT Policies if there are not enough country strategies...
>>
>> Then talk about African Strategy.
>>
>> Just a thought..
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Yassin
>>
>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dr Yassin,
>>
>> Oh oh....Sorry if you can't speed read :(
>>
>> Those who can read will do so in the next 15 days and give their frank
>> inputs
>>
>> You have a chance to get your voice heard now but you say you need time
>> read/think/analyze and 15 days is not enough?
>>
>> I hope you can at least read the schedule at the site and determine that
>> there is in fact no rush; this is normal work schedule, IMHO and I am
>> African
>>
>> Africans were asked for input and ASWG will make sure adequate
>> professional quality input is given to improve Africa in ICANN
>>
>> [once again be careful as the documents and list are both public so
>> people can tell if one is with it ]
>>
>> Dr. Yassin, come on, just read the stuff starting with the African
>> ecosystem and you'll be grateful; very insightful
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nii (chair,ASWG)
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 22:48, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well.....
>>  What is the hurry then? It takes time to read , analyse and Think of
>> Strategies thoroughly.
>>
>> How many strategies have failed due to rushing??
>>
>> Where is the pressure to rush this Strategy coming from? OR is there a
>> promise that something will be done for Africa for free?? Nothing is Free
>> so that guess is out.
>> Please , please, let us not rush - save the energy now.
>> I have nothing to add apart from refusing to be rushed especially when
>> fundamental things were not done properly such as to bring all Africans to
>> the table through consultations- one should not ignore peoples voice
>> however clever an idea can be. People have to accept it. Democrazy?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Yassin
>>
>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dr. Yassin,
>>
>> The place to send comments is icann-aswg at afrinic.net
>>
>> Regarding your post here however note these.
>>
>> The list of issues are only in the SWOTs
>>
>> The strategic objectives are clearly stated there alongside ICANN's own
>> strategic objectives. Did you miss them, I know there is a lot of stuff
>> there;-)
>>
>> So if you did not see them go read again as there is no 'half cooked
>> content' there. Infact they tell you which ICANN strategic objective
>> resulted in which African strategy, what are related projects and what
>> measures
>>
>> [be careful as the documents are on a public site so everyone can confirm
>> what you have missed]
>>
>> Perhaps you need to take your time and study them carefully and not be so
>> quick
>>
>> Your contribution as an African in the community is to apply your
>> 'powerful thinking' and weight in on the priorities on the objectives
>>
>> Which objectives are your priority?
>>
>> If you can't  answer this specifically then you need to put a little more
>> effort
>>
>> Its better we focus and get the hard job done; if more time is needed it
>> will be  ICANN's decision thereafter. In the meantime please lets not try
>> to stop people from working for community
>>
>> Thanks and regards
>> Nii (as chairman ASWG)
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 17:57, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wow...I read what has been published. The content is very good to read
>> but what remains is to extract a Strategies - that needs African Thinking
>> and researching not just a List of issues. That is its half-cooked
>> contentwise. In addition it is half-cooked if Africans claim to disown the
>> ASWG? Ignoring this 4th Dimension of issues is to create a gap.
>> Why rush to Toronto now? That is the avoided Question .
>> Did Africans demanded for this rush cummulatively?
>> Well done!!
>> Yassin
>>
>>
>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ...and you had studied the documents?
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:57, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We are all praying for Africa...
>>
>> --
>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>> IT Engineer / ANTIC
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>>    ------------------------------
>> *De :* Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> *À :* Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>; "africann at afrinic.net" <
>> africann at afrinic.net>
>> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 9h52
>> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>>
>> You are yet to study a set of documents but you are agreeing it is 'half
>> cooked strategy'
>>
>> I pray for Africa
>> Nii
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:37, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I fully share the proposal of Yassin.
>>
>> --
>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>> IT Engineer / ANTIC
>> Web : http://www.antic.cm
>> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>> GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
>>   ------------------------------
>> *De :* Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> *À :* Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>; Katim S. Touray <kaamt at yahoo.com>; "
>> africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
>> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 1h49
>> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>>
>> Dear fellow Africans,
>> It is unfortunate that a we are soon going built on sand (no foundation)
>> if the African Strategy is going to be discussed in Toronto.
>> My suggestion made a month ago to stop this rushing and have a round of
>> consultations to Democratically form an acceptable ASW Group was not loud
>> enough to be heard. It is an embarassment to see what is going on. Rushing
>> to Toronto with a half cooked Strategy will only create room for
>> Complications in the implementation of a strategy which was not processed
>> properly. I would suggest this process is stopped and go back to drawing
>> board by initiating a process to for a more inclusive Working Group.
>> It is not an emergency - it can wait for a few more weeks to consult and
>> form a Working Group instead of 'imporsing' a Group as it appears. Get it
>> right now or spend longer to repair cracks and mistakes.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Yassin Mshana (Always for True Africa!)
>>
>>
>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Katim-
>>
>> In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very important
>> question has been mingled with the DCA issue.
>>
>>
>> You refer to "DCA's issue" as an "important question" and at the same
>> time call it "unfortunate".   What is unfortunate about
>> an important question you raised that DCA also raised?   Is it not DCA
>> that first raised the issue you now call "important "on this list as well
>> as formally in ICANN?  or is anything raised by DCA becomes nullified
>> and unacceptable by a certain group, until it rotates and gets legitimacy
>> by another voice outside of DCA?   I am a bit perturbed by the choice of
>> language.
>>
>> If you want positive engagement and contribution from all of us, please
>> let us not continue to deliberately mischaracterize DCA, while at the same
>> time agreeing with the issues it raises.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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