[AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

Fri Sep 14 03:06:17 SAST 2012

Dr Yassin,

What speed? Look at the schedule and look at the material then we may have difference of opinion if you still feel it's rushed

But you did not read then said it was 'half cooked' so we disagreed then you said need time to read/think/analyze then said don't rush then said democracy.......? Gee

No one is stopping you from joining or getting your voice heard except perhaps yourself. In fact I am keenly waiting to hear your priority on strategic objectives to include

Again, we work with rough consensus not by experiment in democracy

One thing for sure the request for input on strategy will be responded to by ASWG through a public process and on schedule. The rest would be up to ICANN

Best
Nii

On Sep 14, 2012, at 0:36, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> No answer to my questions means a lot. 
> I should no mind whether our communication and documents are public or not since I m stating the truth. 
> This is not a reading competition and better be slow and do the right thing .... 1 day or 100 days is ok. I ll catch up at some point...no need to speed me up.
> Cheers
> Yassin
> 
> 
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
> 
> 
> 
> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dr Yassin,
> 
> Oh oh....Sorry if you can't speed read :( 
> 
> Those who can read will do so in the next 15 days and give their frank inputs
> 
> You have a chance to get your voice heard now but you say you need time read/think/analyze and 15 days is not enough? 
>  
> I hope you can at least read the schedule at the site and determine that there is in fact no rush; this is normal work schedule, IMHO and I am African 
> 
> Africans were asked for input and ASWG will make sure adequate professional quality input is given to improve Africa in ICANN
> 
> [once again be careful as the documents and list are both public so people can tell if one is with it ]
> 
> Dr. Yassin, come on, just read the stuff starting with the African ecosystem and you'll be grateful; very insightful
> 
> Best regards
> Nii (chair,ASWG)
> 
> On Sep 13, 2012, at 22:48, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well.....
>>  What is the hurry then? It takes time to read , analyse and Think of Strategies thoroughly.
>> 
>> How many strategies have failed due to rushing?? 
>> 
>> Where is the pressure to rush this Strategy coming from? OR is there a promise that something will be done for Africa for free?? Nothing is Free so that guess is out.
>> Please , please, let us not rush - save the energy now.
>> I have nothing to add apart from refusing to be rushed especially when fundamental things were not done properly such as to bring all Africans to the table through consultations- one should not ignore peoples voice however clever an idea can be. People have to accept it. Democrazy?
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Yassin
>> 
>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dr. Yassin,
>> 
>> The place to send comments is icann-aswg at afrinic.net
>> 
>> Regarding your post here however note these.
>> 
>> The list of issues are only in the SWOTs
>> 
>> The strategic objectives are clearly stated there alongside ICANN's own strategic objectives. Did you miss them, I know there is a lot of stuff there;-)
>> 
>> So if you did not see them go read again as there is no 'half cooked content' there. Infact they tell you which ICANN strategic objective resulted in which African strategy, what are related projects and what measures
>> 
>> [be careful as the documents are on a public site so everyone can confirm what you have missed]
>> 
>> Perhaps you need to take your time and study them carefully and not be so quick
>> 
>> Your contribution as an African in the community is to apply your 'powerful thinking' and weight in on the priorities on the objectives
>> 
>> Which objectives are your priority? 
>> 
>> If you can't  answer this specifically then you need to put a little more effort
>> 
>> Its better we focus and get the hard job done; if more time is needed it will be  ICANN's decision thereafter. In the meantime please lets not try to stop people from working for community
>> 
>> Thanks and regards
>> Nii (as chairman ASWG)
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 17:57, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Wow...I read what has been published. The content is very good to read but what remains is to extract a Strategies - that needs African Thinking and researching not just a List of issues. That is its half-cooked contentwise. In addition it is half-cooked if Africans claim to disown the ASWG? Ignoring this 4th Dimension of issues is to create a gap.
>>> Why rush to Toronto now? That is the avoided Question .
>>> Did Africans demanded for this rush cummulatively?
>>> Well done!!
>>> Yassin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ...and you had studied the documents?
>>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:57, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We are all praying for Africa...
>>>>  
>>>> --
>>>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>> IT Engineer / ANTIC
>>>> Web : http://www.antic.cm
>>>> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>>>> GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
>>>> De : Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>>>> À : Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>; "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net> 
>>>> Envoyé le : Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 9h52
>>>> Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>>>> 
>>>> You are yet to study a set of documents but you are agreeing it is 'half cooked strategy'
>>>> 
>>>> I pray for Africa 
>>>> Nii
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:37, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I fully share the proposal of Yassin.
>>>>>  
>>>>> --
>>>>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>>> IT Engineer / ANTIC
>>>>> Web : http://www.antic.cm
>>>>> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>>>>> GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
>>>>> De : Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>>>>> À : Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>; Katim S. Touray <kaamt at yahoo.com>; "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net> 
>>>>> Envoyé le : Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 1h49
>>>>> Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear fellow Africans,
>>>>> It is unfortunate that a we are soon going built on sand (no foundation) if the African Strategy is going to be discussed in Toronto. 
>>>>> My suggestion made a month ago to stop this rushing and have a round of consultations to Democratically form an acceptable ASW Group was not loud enough to be heard. It is an embarassment to see what is going on. Rushing to Toronto with a half cooked Strategy will only create room for Complications in the implementation of a strategy which was not processed properly. I would suggest this process is stopped and go back to drawing board by initiating a process to for a more inclusive Working Group. 
>>>>> It is not an emergency - it can wait for a few more weeks to consult and form a Working Group instead of 'imporsing' a Group as it appears. Get it right now or spend longer to repair cracks and mistakes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Yassin Mshana (Always for True Africa!)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Katim-
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very important question has been mingled with the DCA issue. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You refer to "DCA's issue" as an "important question" and at the same time call it "unfortunate".   What is unfortunate about an important question you raised that DCA also raised?   Is it not DCA that first raised the issue you now call "important "on this list as well as formally in ICANN?  or is anything raised by DCA becomes nullified and unacceptable by a certain group, until it rotates and gets legitimacy by another voice outside of DCA?   I am a bit perturbed by the choice of language.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you want positive engagement and contribution from all of us, please let us not continue to deliberately mischaracterize DCA, while at the same time agreeing with the issues it raises.  
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