[AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

Y Mshana2003 ymshana2003 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 14 00:48:35 SAST 2012

 What is the hurry then? It takes time to read , analyse and Think of Strategies thoroughly.

How many strategies have failed due to rushing?? 

Where is the pressure to rush this Strategy coming from? OR is there a promise that something will be done for Africa for free?? Nothing is Free so that guess is out.
Please , please, let us not rush - save the energy now.
I have nothing to add apart from refusing to be rushed especially when fundamental things were not done properly such as to bring all Africans to the table through consultations- one should not ignore peoples voice however clever an idea can be. People have to accept it. Democrazy?

Kind regards


From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.

Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:

Dr. Yassin,

The place to send comments is icann-aswg at afrinic.net

Regarding your post here however note these.

The list of issues are only in the SWOTs

The strategic objectives are clearly stated there alongside ICANN's own strategic objectives. Did you miss them, I know there is a lot of stuff there;-)

So if you did not see them go read again as there is no 'half cooked content' there. Infact they tell you which ICANN strategic objective resulted in which African strategy, what are related projects and what measures

[be careful as the documents are on a public site so everyone can confirm what you have missed]

Perhaps you need to take your time and study them carefully and not be so quick

Your contribution as an African in the community is to apply your 'powerful thinking' and weight in on the priorities on the objectives

Which objectives are your priority? 

If you can't  answer this specifically then you need to put a little more effort

Its better we focus and get the hard job done; if more time is needed it will be  ICANN's decision thereafter. In the meantime please lets not try to stop people from working for community

Thanks and regards
Nii (as chairman ASWG)

On Sep 13, 2012, at 17:57, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

Wow...I read what has been published. The content is very good to read but what remains is to extract a Strategies - that needs African Thinking and researching not just a List of issues. That is its half-cooked contentwise. In addition it is half-cooked if Africans claim to disown the ASWG? Ignoring this 4th Dimension of issues is to create a gap.
Why rush to Toronto now? That is the avoided Question .
Did Africans demanded for this rush cummulatively?
Well done!!

From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.

Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:

...and you had studied the documents?

On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:57, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:

We are all praying for Africa...
Pierre Lotis NANKEP
IT Engineer / ANTIC
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Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
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De : Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
À : Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>; "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net> 
Envoyé le : Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 9h52
Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

You are yet to study a set of documents but you are agreeing it is 'half cooked strategy'

I pray for Africa 

On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:37, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:

I fully share the proposal of Yassin.
Pierre Lotis NANKEP
IT Engineer / ANTIC
Web : http://www.antic.cm
Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
De : Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
À : Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>; Katim S. Touray <kaamt at yahoo.com>; "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net> 
Envoyé le : Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 1h49
Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

Dear fellow Africans,
It is unfortunate that a we are soon going built on sand (no foundation) if the African Strategy is going to be discussed in Toronto. 
My suggestion made a month ago to stop this rushing and have a round of consultations to Democratically form an acceptable ASW Group was not loud enough to be heard. It is an embarassment to see what is going on. Rushing to Toronto with a half cooked Strategy will only create room for Complications in the implementation of a strategy which was not processed properly. I would suggest this process is stopped and go back to drawing board by initiating a process to for a more inclusive Working Group. 
It is not an emergency - it can wait for a few more weeks to consult and form a Working Group instead of 'imporsing' a Group as it appears. Get it right now or spend longer to repair cracks and mistakes.

Kind regards
Yassin Mshana (Always for True Africa!)

From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.

Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Katim-

In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very important question has been mingled with the DCA issue. 

You refer to "DCA's issue" as an "important question" and at the same time call it "unfortunate". What is unfortunate about an important question you raised that DCA also raised? Is it not DCA that first raised the issue you now call "important "on this list as well as formally in ICANN?  or is anything raised by DCA becomes nullified and unacceptable by a certain group, until it rotates and gets legitimacy by another voice outside of DCA?   I am a bit perturbed by the choice of language.  

If you want positive engagement and contribution from all of us, please let us not continue to deliberately mischaracterize DCA, while at the same time agreeing with the issues it raises.  

Thank you and kind regards,

--Lerato Ma (speaking as self)

From: Katim S. Touray <kaamt at yahoo.com>
To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

Dear all,

I want to share my thoughts on the vexing issue of the composition of the ASWG. In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very important question has been mingled with the DCA issue.

That said, I do not think it helps to brush the important question aside and say that we should move on, simply because we need to. Simply shouting people down won't help us, and won't make issues go away either. I would have expected a more robust and substantive response to the question of representation on the ASWG than what has been proffered so far. Specifically, I expected that the ASWG would be composed of African representatives in the various ICANN Supporting Organizations (SOs) and Advisory Committees (ACs), along with Africans on the ICANN Board. After all, these are people who represent us in these entities, and as such would, in my opinion, be the most effective in deliberating on, and delivering our concerns to ICANN's leadership and community. And I think the bulk of them were there in Prague. Even if it would have been too cumbersome to have all of them on the ASWG, I would have suggested that they meet over the matter, and choose who among themselves would be on the ASWG.

But all that is water under the bridge. We now have the reality that the ASWG is formed, and they are at work. What remains now is to provide them our full support to ensure they are successful in their task. But we must also learn from the lesson provided by how they were formed. I think our reps in various ICANN SOs and ACs should get together to draw up an MOU or something along those lines to spell out how we, as an African community, can develop policies and positions in the common interest. For a start, I suggest the matter be included in the agenda for the Toronto AFRALO-AFRICANN meeting.

Thanks to all of you for your efforts, and for sharing your ideas, and best wishes!


From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
To: Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>
Cc: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG


Thanks for the reply. I think if we stick to the policy issues and not personalise posts. We will get back to having open balanced discussions on the list. The issue of DCA in my book has been overblown and it is time for all to move on. Most of us post under our individual capacity unless we explicitly stress that the views we are sharing are those of our organisation. I think that way we get real debates and share diverse views.

I think we are all making progress and urge you and DCA to not isolate yourselves. Please openly share the views and the community will decide. It's all about consensus.

Once again thanks allot for openly responding. Let's all share our comments positively.

I look forward to sharing more policy discussions in future.


Badru Ntege
NFT Consult Ltd

“Vision without execution is hallucination.”
― Thomas A. Edison

On 11 Sep 2012, at 18:50, Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Badru-

Thank you for 
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