[AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

waudo siganga emailsignet at mailcan.com
Thu Sep 13 06:24:43 SAST 2012

Your points resonate with me and I think they lay a foundation for
improvement for Africa's place in ICANN. I have been participating in
ICANN for a decade in the Business Constituency and I do not see
Africans there. Most Africans are either in AL and GAC with a few in
Technical Community and IR. This is reflected in the ASWG composition.
At some point we need to review ALL constituencies, SOs, ACs of ICANN
and make sure that we are participative everywhere rather than being
only where some people expect us to be.

I respect the contribution of the volunteers on the ASWG though and
wish them well.


On Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 09:03 PM, Katim S. Touray wrote:

Dear all,

I want to share my thoughts on the vexing issue of the composition of
the ASWG.  In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very
important question has been mingled with the DCA issue.

That said, I do not think it helps to brush the important question
aside and say that we should move on, simply because we need to.
Simply shouting people down won't help us, and won't make issues go
away either.  I would have expected a more robust and substantive
response to the question of representation on the ASWG than what has
been proffered so far.  Specifically, I expected that the ASWG would be
composed of African representatives in the various ICANN Supporting
Organizations (SOs) and Advisory Committees (ACs), along with Africans
on the ICANN Board.  After all, these are people who represent us in
these entities, and as such would, in my opinion, be the most effective
in deliberating on, and delivering our concerns to ICANN's leadership
and community.  And I think the bulk of them were there in Prague.
Even if it would have been too cumbersome to have all of them on the
ASWG, I would have suggested that they meet over the matter, and choose
who among themselves would be on the ASWG.

But all that is water under the bridge.  We now have the reality that
the ASWG is formed, and they are at work.  What remains now is to
provide them our full support to ensure they are successful in their
task.  But we must also learn from the lesson provided by how they were
formed.  I think our reps in various ICANN SOs and ACs should get
together to draw up an MOU or something along those lines to spell out
how we, as an African community, can develop policies and positions in
the common interest.  For a start, I suggest the matter be included in
the agenda for the Toronto AFRALO-AFRICANN meeting.

Thanks to all of you for your efforts, and for sharing your ideas, and
best wishes!


From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
To: Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>
Cc: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

Thanks for the reply. I think if we stick to the policy issues and not
personalise posts.  We will get back to having open balanced
discussions on the list. The issue of DCA in my book has been overblown
and it is time for all to move on.   Most of us post under our
individual capacity unless we explicitly stress that the views we are
sharing are those of our organisation.  I think that way we get real
debates and share diverse views.

I think we are all making progress and urge you and DCA to not isolate
yourselves.  Please openly share the views and the community will
decide.  It's all about consensus.

Once again thanks allot for openly responding.  Let's all share our
comments positively.

I look forward to sharing more policy discussions in future.

Badru Ntege
NFT Consult Ltd

“Vision without execution is hallucination.”
― Thomas A. Edison

On 11 Sep 2012, at 18:50, Lerato <[2]lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Badru-

Thank you for responding with an open mind  My owed response to you is
as follows:

After my long observation on how things are handed in the said African
internet communities,  I certainly have come to realize the isolation
of DCA in this group is what has been creating the so-called division
within the community (certainly may have stemmed from the gTLD issue)
and that your partisan approach to issues always prevented you from
seeing and understanding both sides of the debate.   Even the recent
response I read  from your elect chair Nii, reducing critical issues of
inclusion and transparency to a level of  "why my friends are not
selected" is a failed explanation to handling such issues
and defeats the whole purpose of the dialog.

I am sure you understand me.  Hence, I will let go of this matter now
and will expect that DCA to respond and articulate its official
position at the appropriate time.

--Lerato Ma

From: Lerato <[3]lerato.ma at yahoo.com>
To: Badru Ntege <[4]badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>;
"[5]africann at afrinic.net" <[6]africann at afrinic.net>; 'Lerato'
<[7]yes2dotafrica at dotconnectafrica.org>; "[8]otieno.barrack at gmail.com"
<[9]otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
Dear Badru-

Thanks for your email and fair enough I will get back to you, got to
run now.

--Lerato Ma

From: Badru Ntege <[10]badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
To: 'Lerato' <[11]lerato.ma at yahoo.com>; [12]africann at afrinic.net;
'Lerato' <[13]yes2dotafrica at dotconnectafrica.org>;
[14]otieno.barrack at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

Thanks for the response.   Let me try and respond in an open mind.
And if you think im wrong please let me know.

Please make me understand why every effort is wrong, negative and has a
hidden agenda.

Mr. Badru- you seem to always play the role of réconciliateur chef, but
you are infamous for having echoed loudly at all times that DCA is not
part of the "community" you have been working with.  DCA has finally
learned to accept not being accepted in your group, however
very cautious not to be excluded as Africans who want to
contribute genuinely to the Continent.
Let me understand more about these groups.  I know we have a number of
views and opinions and at times those will not be aligned but I did not
know that we now have constituted groups.  We never agree with all view
points shared but if we created a group every time we got a
disagreement we would have far too many groups.

Its true on the .africa issue they were two view points and that’s
acceptable.  But that should not divide the community. Its only a gtld.
If you do not want us in your group and deliberately design WGs to
exclude us, there must be a reason of one of your above mentions? and
whatever Africa Strategy your group develops if at ICANN level, will
have to be either subject to the scrutiny of our group so you do not
impose your views on us, and or we should be left alone to develop our
own under the same umbrella.   At least at the ICANN level, we know we
should not be excluded.

It seems to me you are excluding yourself.  By sharing and asking for
comments everyone is trying to be inclusive.  If you do feel or anyone
else on the list feels that they are other members of the community who
should be on this WG I think the best approach would be to suggest some
names on the list and im sure through consensus the community would
reach an amicable solution.

Some of us refuse to accept whereby Internet Governance matters for
Africa are run by few Africans who have self-elected themselves and
their WGs.
I’m still confused.  Many of us contribute on the many lists and share
with many more.  I have not yet found a closed list where people are

Just like ICANN has grown in the past 10 years to where it is, the
landscape for the African groupings at ICANN has also grown.  It
was interesting to see some of the CORE group of the WG were not even
active ICANN participants for the past years or on this list.
We are a young continent in the world of internet and will always
welcome new participants.  I also think everyone has a right to
contribute regardless past ICANN experience.  Its what makes the
internet what it is.  The diversity of participants

Finally, what you need to learn Badru is that instead of trying to
run consensus by a "majorly community voice" that you always try and
institute to win your case at all times, try for a change to run it
like a democracy - all inclusive, participatory, and ensuring that
voices of dissent are represented, including making them part of the
CORE.   But that is like having a one <.africa>  it probably wont work!
  We might as well agree to disagree here.
If you read all my emails you will notice im trying to encourage you to
respond to current issues without the heavy historical baggage which
continues to build the wall you claim exists.

Lerato your emails are so emotionally charged that the content is lost
in people responding to the emotion.   Lets please try and continue
this dialogue to a positive solution,



my tuppence

  --Lerato Ma

From: Badru Ntege <[15]badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
To: 'Lerato' <[16]yes2dotafrica at dotconnectafrica.org>;
[17]africann at afrinic.net; [18]otieno.barrack at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG


Though I’m trying very hard to understand your sentiments, I’m having a
hard time.  Maybe it might help if you can suggest a constructive way
forward that can build on where we are.

Please make me understand why every effort is wrong, negative and has a
hidden agenda.

Hopefully after that we can also seek a way forward that has you and
the silent constituency onboard.


The best  time to plant a tree is 20yrs ago
The second best time is now
(chinese proverb)

From: [20]africann-bounces at afrinic.net
[[21]mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of Lerato
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 7:00 PM
To: [22]otieno.barrack at gmail.com; [23]africann at afrinic.net;
[24]africann at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

 NB : Group members : Maimouna Diop; Palesa Banda Legozi , Nii Quaynor
> (Chair), Barrack Otieno; Alice Munyua; Mouhamet Diop; Tijani
> Michel Tchonang Linze; Pierre Dandjinou

You think putting together this working group above who is on one side
of the aisle (or to use your term affiliation) is legitimate in your
views Barrack, despite Rop at an early point of the exclusion
discussion pointed out that DCA was a key player in ICANN Africa and
was excluded.  Why don't you simply call it "AfricaOneSpace
Africa Strategy?  I can see why you keep defending it now.

I understand such is not even in the tradition of ICANN.   If this is
really an ICANN supported WG,  how come the WG is formed only on one
side of a constituency?.  The mannerism of self-election and electing
one's WG is typical African and not an ICANN tradition.  I see why now
the final WG was not circulated at an earlier time before the
announcement, giving an impression there was consensus. You guys are
in hallucination.  Good luck with your Africa strategy, just do not
be surprised when another one pops out under a different constituency.
After all there was no consensus on a one .africa either!

--Lerato Ma

From: "[25]otieno.barrack at gmail.com" <[26]otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
To: [27]africann at afrinic.net
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
I echo your sentiments Badru, let us all participate in the process.
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Thanks Pierre
I hope a large number of the community participates.  And thus remove
the myth of capture being cultivated by a few in the community.
I also hope many on the list will share with their local lists to have
as many as possible participate and share views.  That way we move
positively forward as one majority community.
Looking forward to the website.
Badru Ntege
NFT Consult Ltd
“Vision without execution is hallucination.”
― Thomas A. Edison
On 9 Sep 2012, at 01:43, Dandjinou Pierre <[36]pdandjinou at gmail.com>
> Dear Listers,
> (NB : version francaise ci- dessous)
> The Icann Africa strategy Working Group held its retreat in Mauritius
> on 27-28 August. The meeting was facilitated by ICANN and AfriNIC.
> The Group of 9 (4 initial core members + 5 Reps from regions and
> Constituencies) had a fruitful gathering and will be posting its
> working documents on a dedicated website to facilitate public access.
> The community will then have 15 days for its further comments and
> submissions before the group finalizes its recommendations.
> The public website should be available early next week. Meanwhile,
> Group wishes to thank all those who took the effort to complete the
> questionnaires. The evaluation of the questionnaires and primary
> discussions with representatives of the constituencies (Governments,
> Registries, registrars, registrants, ALAC, Academia..etc) allowed the
> group to brainstorm on strategic objectives, projects and measures of
> impact. A key decision of the group is to conduct further
> consultations and the website is going to be the conduit. You are
> therefore kindly requested to provide your feedback, once the site is
> up and running as of next week!.
> We are also attaching an evaluation of the questionnaires, for your
> Best regards
> Pierre on behalf of the ASWG
> NB : Group members : Maimouna Diop; Palesa Banda Legozi , Nii Quaynor
> (Chair), Barrack Otieno; Alice Munyua; Mouhamet Diop; Tijani
> Michel Tchonang Linze; Pierre Dandjinou
> La retraite du Groupe de travail pour la strategie africaine de
> l'ICANN a eu lieu a Maurice du 27 au 28 Aout 2012. Elle a ete
> facilitee par l'ICANN et AfriNIC.
> Le Groupe de 9 personnes (4 initiaux et 5 autres representants les
> regions et constituantes de l'ICANN) a eu une rencontre fructueuse et
> les documents de travail generes seront postes sur un site des la
> semaine prochaine.La communaute disposera alors de 15 jours pour ses
> commentaires et propositions, avant que le groupe ne finalise ses
> recommandations.
> Le Groupe remercie ceux qui ont pri sur eux de remplir les
> questionnaires. Sur la base de l'evaluation des questionnaires, et
> discussions tenues avec des representants de diveres constituantes
> (Gouvernements, registres, registraires, registrants,ALAC et autres),
> a pu mener ses discussions et retenir quelques objectifs strateiques,
> des idees de projets ainsi que des criteres d'evaluation..Une
> majeure du groupe est de poursuivre l'engagement avec la communaute
> par le biais du site web. Merci donc de le visiter des la semaine
> prochaine et d'y apporter vos remarques et suggestions.
> Enfin, pour votre information, nous attachons l'evaluation des
> questionnaires recus.
> Sinceres salutations
> Pierre pour le ASWG
> NB : membre du Groupe : Maimouna Diop; Palesa Banda Legozi , Nii
> Quaynor (Chair), Barrack Otieno; Alice Munyua; Mouhamet Diop; Tijani
> Benjemaa; Michel Tchonang Linze; Pierre Dandjinou
> <Assessment.doc>
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