[AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG

Sun Sep 9 19:51:15 SAST 2012

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>Please make me understand why every effort is wrong, negative and has a hidden agenda.  

Mr. Badru- you seem to always play the role of réconciliateur chef, but you are infamous for having echoed loudly at all times that DCA is not part of the "community" you have been working with.  DCA has finally learned to accept not being accepted in your group, however very cautious not to be excluded as Africans who want to contribute genuinely to the Continent.

If you do not want us in your group and deliberately design WGs to exclude us, there must be a reason of one of your above mentions? and whatever Africa Strategy your group develops if at ICANN level, will have to be either subject to the scrutiny of our group so you do not impose your views on us, and or we should be left alone to develop our own under the same umbrella.   At least at the ICANN level, we know we should not be excluded.   

Some of us refuse to accept whereby Internet Governance matters for Africa are run by few Africans who have self-elected themselves and their WGs.   Just like ICANN has grown in the past 10 years to where it is, the landscape for the African groupings at ICANN has also grown.  It was interesting to see some of the CORE group of the WG were not even active ICANN participants for the past years or on this list.

Finally, what you need to learn Badru is that instead of trying to run consensus by a "majorly community voice" that you always try and institute to win your case at all times, try for a change to run it like a democracy - all inclusive, participatory, and ensuring that voices of dissent are represented, including making them part of the CORE.   But that is like having a one <.africa>  it probably wont work!   We might as well agree to disagree here.

my tuppence

  --Lerato Ma

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> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>To: 'Lerato' <yes2dotafrica at dotconnectafrica.org>; africann at afrinic.net; otieno.barrack at gmail.com 
>Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:55 AM
>Subject: RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
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>Lerato
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>Though I’m trying very hard to understand your sentiments, I’m having a hard time.  Maybe it might help if you can suggest a constructive way forward that can build on where we are.
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>Please make me understand why every effort is wrong, negative and has a hidden agenda.  
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>Hopefully after that we can also seek a way forward that has you and the silent constituency onboard.
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>regards
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> 
>The best  time to plant a tree is 20yrs ago
>The second best time is now
>(chinese proverb)
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>From:africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of Lerato
>Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 7:00 PM
>To: otieno.barrack at gmail.com; africann at afrinic.net; africann at afrinic.net
>Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
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> NB : Group members : Maimouna Diop; Palesa Banda Legozi , Nii Quaynor
>> (Chair), Barrack Otieno; Alice Munyua; Mouhamet Diop; Tijani Benjemaa;
>> Michel Tchonang Linze; Pierre Dandjinou
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>You think putting together this working group above who is on one side of the aisle (or to use your term affiliation) is legitimate in your views Barrack, despite Rop at an early point of the exclusion discussion pointed out that DCA was a key player in ICANN Africa and was excluded.  Why don't you simply call it "AfricaOneSpace Africa Strategy?  I can see why you keep defending it now.
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>I understand such is not even in the tradition of ICANN.   If this is really an ICANN supported WG,  how come the WG is formed only on one side of a constituency?.  The mannerism of self-election and electing one's WG is typical African and not an ICANN tradition.  I see why now the final WG was not circulated at an earlier time before the announcement, giving an impression there was consensus. You guys are in hallucination.  Good luck with your Africa strategy, just do not be surprised when another one pops out under a different constituency. After all there was no consensus on a one .africa either!
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>--Lerato Ma
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>>From:"otieno.barrack at gmail.com" <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>To: africann at afrinic.net 
>>Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:49 PM
>>Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
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>>I echo your sentiments Badru, let us all participate in the process.
>>Sent from my BlackBerry®
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>>Sender: africann-bounces at afrinic.net
>>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 08:59:30 
>>To: <africann at afrinic.net><africann at afrinic.net>
>>Reply-To: africann at afrinic.net
>>Cc: <africann at afrinic.net><africann at afrinic.net>
>>Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
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>>Thanks Pierre 
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>>I hope a large number of the community participates.  And thus remove the myth of capture being cultivated by a few in the community.  
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>>I also hope many on the list will share with their local lists to have as many as possible participate and share views.  That way we move positively forward as one majority community.
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>>Looking forward to the website. 
>>
>>Badru Ntege
>>CEO 
>>NFT Consult Ltd 
>>Www.Nftconsult.com
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>>“Vision without execution is hallucination.” 
>>― Thomas A. Edison
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>>On 9 Sep 2012, at 01:43, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Dear Listers,
>>> 
>>> (NB : version francaise ci- dessous)
>>> 
>>> The Icann Africa strategy Working Group held its retreat in Mauritius
>>> on 27-28 August. The meeting was facilitated by ICANN and AfriNIC.
>>> 
>>> The Group of 9 (4 initial core members + 5 Reps from regions and
>>> Constituencies) had a fruitful gathering and will be posting its
>>> working documents on a dedicated website to facilitate public access.
>>> The community will then have 15 days for its further comments and
>>> submissions before the group finalizes its recommendations.
>>> 
>>> The public website should be available early next week. Meanwhile, the
>>> Group wishes to thank all those who took the effort to complete the
>>> questionnaires. The evaluation of the questionnaires and primary
>>> discussions with representatives of the constituencies (Governments,
>>> Registries, registrars, registrants, ALAC, Academia..etc) allowed the
>>> group to brainstorm on strategic objectives, projects and measures of
>>> impact. A key decision of the group is to conduct further
>>> consultations and the website is going to be the conduit. You are
>>> therefore kindly requested to provide your feedback, once the site is
>>> up and running as of next week!.
>>> 
>>> We are also attaching an evaluation of the questionnaires, for your information.
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> Pierre on behalf of the ASWG
>>> 
>>> NB : Group members : Maimouna Diop; Palesa Banda Legozi , Nii Quaynor
>>> (Chair), Barrack Otieno; Alice Munyua; Mouhamet Diop; Tijani Benjemaa;
>>> Michel Tchonang Linze; Pierre Dandjinou
>>> 
>>> 
>>> La retraite du Groupe de travail pour la strategie africaine de
>>> l'ICANN a eu lieu a Maurice du 27 au 28 Aout 2012. Elle a ete
>>> facilitee par l'ICANN et AfriNIC.
>>> 
>>> Le Groupe de 9 personnes (4 initiaux et 5 autres representants les
>>> regions et constituantes de l'ICANN) a eu une rencontre fructueuse et
>>> les documents de travail generes seront postes sur un site des la
>>> semaine prochaine.La communaute disposera alors de 15 jours pour ses
>>> commentaires et propositions, avant que le groupe ne finalise ses
>>> recommandations.
>>> 
>>> Le Groupe remercie ceux qui ont pri sur eux de remplir les
>>> questionnaires. Sur la base de l'evaluation des questionnaires, et des
>>> discussions tenues avec des representants de diveres constituantes
>>> (Gouvernements, registres, registraires, registrants,ALAC et autres),
>>> a pu mener ses discussions et retenir quelques objectifs strateiques,
>>> des idees de projets ainsi que des criteres d'evaluation..Une decision
>>> majeure du groupe est de poursuivre l'engagement avec la communaute
>>> par le biais du site web. Merci donc de le visiter des la semaine
>>> prochaine et d'y apporter vos remarques et suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Enfin, pour votre information, nous attachons l'evaluation des
>>> questionnaires recus.
>>> 
>>> Sinceres salutations
>>> 
>>> Pierre pour le ASWG
>>> 
>>> NB : membre du Groupe : Maimouna Diop; Palesa Banda Legozi , Nii
>>> Quaynor (Chair), Barrack Otieno; Alice Munyua; Mouhamet Diop; Tijani
>>> Benjemaa; Michel Tchonang Linze; Pierre Dandjinou
>>> <Assessment.doc>
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