[AfrICANN-discuss] RE: [AFRI-Discuss] Theme of the Toronto AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting

Sat Sep 8 21:41:24 SAST 2012

Hi Lerato,

Well said - consultations for consensus should be that way forwards in
everything we do..

You may recall that I protested the action by a self selected group for so
called "African Strategy" - I went as far as requesting the delay in the
process until a homework is done.

About taking advantage of ICANN resources - well that has been happening
and should be voided as mush

Let us keep moving

On 8 September 2012 00:54, Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> ++1 Dr. Yassin
>
> It is my understanding there was no consensus on the "Africa Strategy" and
> has been widely reported at ICANN.  The organizers did not even send to
> this list the final working group that we should have added our names to
> participate or not, as they said they will do initially?
>
> I agree in that, why should a regular meeting of ICANN gets sidelined on
> something that is imposed on it by "Africa Strategy", that which does not
> have consensus.    It is a shame to see African initiatives at ICANN are
> going to run under protest, evidencing that Africans have no ability to
> coordinate!  In the meantime, ICANN resource is being used to perform an
> outshine of one initiative over another.
>
> May I also request whatever concept note being developed for this
> "important" meeting be shared on this list ahead of time ( 2 weeks before
> minimum), so that the meeting does not hold a consensus without again
> consulting the content with us?  I would assume the Africa opinion is not
> one that can afford to go to ICANN meetings.  Expect a protest from me if
> this does not happen.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --Lerato Ma
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
> *To:* ndonnang at isoc-cameroon.org; africann at afrinic.net
> *Cc:* afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org; Mohamed El Bashir <
> mbashir at mbash.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2012 5:14 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] RE: [AFRI-Discuss] Theme of the Toronto
> AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting
>
> Dear fellow Africans,
>
> As much as I like to discuss issues concerning Africa, may I ask why
> should these discussions happen during ICANN meetings?
>
> The ICANN meetings are set to discuss global issues - if we Africans take
> advantage of the ICANN meeting to do our homework things will end up like
> the way the African Caucus meeting in Prague Meeting ended = there were no
> consultations - therefore a few individuals set up a 'Strategy for Africa'
> notion to be presented during Toronto ICANN Meeting?? That is like building
> a castle on the sand - that is the Truth since consultations did no take
> place within Africans at large.
>
> There is nothing to stop one (me) thinking that these impromptu African
> Group meetings during ICANN meetings week - are not effectively
> representing African interest and ambition BUT taking advantage of ICANN
> resources and that of Africans.
>
> I had stuck out my neck to stop the 'Strategy for Africa' from being
> presented at ICANN Toronto meeting but that seems to be going ahead without
> Africans having their Say since there were no consultations - just a few
> Africans with resources provided to attend ICANN meetings took advantage to
> have a 'coffee break' discussion funded by someone else?
>
> ICANN Meetings are meant for discussion on global issues not  venue for
> Africans or other discuss domestic issues. I therefore wish to discourage
> this statement from email below that,
> *The meeting will be a good chance also for the community to discuss
> about our areas of focus and interest and how ICANN and the internet
> community could collaborate* .
>
> I do not mean to say anything but the Truth. If one attend ICANN meeting
> should go there with Global Agenda - African issues have AU venue for that
> not to use  ICANN venue. Maybe ICANN Toronto meeting is different? No!
> ICANN resources are not for that..
>
> If you will excuse me....
>
> Kind regards
>
> Yassin
>
> On 7 September 2012 22:23, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at isoc-cameroon.org>wrote:
>
> +1
> I totally agree with Mohamed. ICANN45 in Toronto will mark the launch or
> the presentation of ICANN's Strategy for Africa and It is important for
> AfrALO-AfrICANN community to keep focusing on that important initiative.
> The ICANN Africa Strategy working group (ICANN-ASWG) sent sometimes ago a
> questionnaire to this mailing list and I hope all of us took time to
> complete that questionnaire.
> So to join what Mohamed said, I suggest that our joint meeting in Toronto
> be an occasion to adopt a common statement on what can be the best ICANN
> strategy plan for Africa.
>
> Best regards,
> Victor Ndonnang
> SG-ISOC Cameroon Chapter
> ICANN Fellow.
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : afri-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
> afri-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Mohamed El
> Bashir
> Envoyé : vendredi 7 septembre 2012 10:39
> À : Aziz Hilali
> Cc : afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org; africann at afrinic.net
> Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Theme of the Toronto AFRALO-AfrICANN joint
> meeting
>
> Dear Aziz, Colleagues
>
> ICANN new CEO/Leadership has started focusing a new ICANN role in the
> developing world with special focus on Africa. Choosing Dr.Tarik Kamil as
> an advisor and Dr.Nii is clear signals tof this new approach.
>
> I suggest the meeting to focus on "ICANN Strategic Approach Towards
> Africa", we can invite ICANN CEO "Chedi", Tarik Kamil, Nii and others
> involved to give their prospective on how Africa can utilize this
> opportunity.
>
> The meeting will be a good chance also for the community to discuss about
> our areas of focus and interest and how ICANN and the internet community
> could collaborate .
>
> Kind Regards,
> Mohamed El Bashir
>
> ( Sent by iPhone - apologies for any misspelling )
>
> On 7 Sep 2012, at 00:21, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > French below:
> >
> > Dear all,
> > As we did during the previous ICANN
> > meetings, we will discuss an issue or subject of interest to our
> > region at the scheduled AFRALO / AfrICANN meeting in Toronto. As a
> > result of this meeting, we will come out, as usual, with a common
> statement on the above subject.
> >
> > The aim of this message is to ask you to please, suggest a theme that
> > you think would be the most pertinent in this regard. We would
> > appreciate your proposal being sent before September 14. The subject
> > will be chosen on the basis of the importance of its support on the
> > two lists AfrICANN and AFRALO.
> >
> > It should be noted that the interest of this tradition, which we
> > organize together since Brussels, is to express the point of view of
> > the African ICANN community on current issues and thus give more
> > visibility for our region.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Chers tous,
> >
> > Comme nous l'avons fait au cours des précédentes réunions de l'ICANN,
> > nous allons organiser à Toronto la réunion conjointe AFRALO/AfrICANN
> > pour débattre d’une question ou d’un sujet  d'intérêt pour notre
> > région. À la suite de cette réunion, nous allons sortir comme
> > d'habitude, avec une déclaration commune sur le sujet choisi.
> >
> > Le but de ce message est de vous demander de bien vouloir proposer un
> > thème que vous pensez être le plus pertinent à cet égard. Nous
> > apprécierions que la proposition de thème soit envoyée avant 14
> > Septembre. Le sujet choisi devra avoir l’approbation des deux listes
> AfrICANN et Afralo.
> >
> > Il est à noter que l'intérêt de cette tradition que nous organisons
> > ensemble depuis Bruxelles, est d'exprimer le point de vue de la
> > communauté africaine de l'ICANN sur les questions d'actualité et de
> > donner ainsi plus de visibilité pour notre région.
> >
> >
> > ============================
> > Aziz Hilali
> > Président de Isoc Maroc
> > www.misoc.org
> > B.P. 68 04,
> > Medinat Al Irfane,
> > Av. Allal Al Fassi Rabat - Maroc
> > Téléphone: + 212. 6 61 40 15 15=============================
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