[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Who controls the internet?

[Gideon]

these people have reduced everything to DCA againist the world, now they
are perhaps feeling a little boosted at Toronto, but a few days and we
shall hear non of what was proposed, until someone ruffles feathers again
like the .africa project

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nii ,
>
> ..really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your
> content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the
> world to a ransom
>
> The reasoning behind the "stake" is not about holding anyone at "ransom",
> it means that we ought to build content/applications, share it with others
> it means that people can look at Africa and gain from its content, it means
> that no one will patent the African products and artifacts because the
> world would know that that's definitely a product form Africa and not
> elsewhere, it means having something tangible, something that would let
> people acknowledge Africa based on its presence , otherwise we will have
> other people keep doing it for us, our percentage online traffic will
> always low.
>
> Thanks.
> Gideon.
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM, <africann-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: Who controls the internet? (Mark Elkins)
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>>    3. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72 (Nii Narku Quaynor)
>>    4. Re: Who controls the internet? (SM)
>>    5. Re: Presentation of the initial Plan for the      Africa Strategy,
>>       Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre (Dr Yassin Mshana)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:57:52 +0200
>> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?
>> To: SM <sm at resistor.net>
>> Cc: africann at afrinic.net
>> Message-ID: <1350644272.10058.40.camel at mjelap.posix.co.za>
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>> On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 02:41 -0700, SM wrote:
>> > Hi Mark,
>> > At 01:18 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:
>> > >If I look at ZA or more specifically CO.ZA and give reasons why it
>> works
>> > >reasonably well...
>> > >
>> > >Cost: Currently this is pretty low - around the $6 level. Probably
>> would
>> >
>> > I did a quick summary of pricing but I did not post the
>> > figures.  co.za was the lowest.
>> >
>> > >make little difference until the price was above $30. Hosting a fair
>> > >sized website in South Africa is from $100 to $300 a year - so 10% of
>> > >that for a Domain is probably reasonable.
>> >
>> > Some of the ccTLDs charge more than USD 100 for registration.
>> Over $50 is probably a serious barrier.
>>
>> > >Accessibility: I think this is the key issue regarding ccTLD's. If its
>> > >easy and quick to register, then people will use it.
>> >
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> > >Reliability: CO.ZA Nameservers have never been down. The Registration
>> > >portal has been down - but never long. However, some people measure
>> > >reliability by how well e-mail (etc) work. Most SA ISP's are quite
>> > >reliable, so 'co.za' e-mail addresses work reasonably well (we have
>> our
>> > >moments).
>> >
>> > .za has three nameservers within South Africa.  co.za has at least
>> > three nameservers within South Africa.  It seems geared to serve the
>> > local community.  Some application (excluding email) designers set a
>> > number and work out the optimization from there.  If the DNS side has
>> > high latency it can be a significant problem.
>>
>> Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something
>> like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use
>> Autonimica/NetNode...
>> Other ZA domains also use ISC's Anycast (ZA uses NetNode and ISC - two
>> AnyCasts).
>> African ccTLD folk should probably be looking at AfriNIC for AnyCast
>> DNS. The CO.ZA zone is a touch on the large side... might be unfair.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where
>> most queries would come from.
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:10:26 -0400
>> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72
>> To: africann at afrinic.net
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>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the insightful inputs, i beleive that at the end of the day
>> from
>> > the look of things, the business side of the internet has the most
>> > influence
>>
>> they actually have little influence in a "one-nation one-vote"
>> International treaty
>> environment such as the ITU.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:56:49 +0000
>> From: Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 68, Issue 72
>> To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
>> Message-ID: <BDBA8A13-BF1C-42A2-B551-DFED6F4F88A6 at ghana.com>
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>> On Oct 19, 2012, at 6:55, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The only way Africa could have a voice is to have a bargaining power
>> that exists not in the lobbying only but more tangible factors like "we
>> have this % of content, that holds the %  stake of the www e.t.c. ". so we
>> shall argue based on the stake we hold!!
>> >
>> ....really? Bargain first with yourself, learn to create and use your
>> content/applications, share it with others and forget about holding the
>> world to a ransom
>>
>> Rather use the open Internet to simply develop Africa's economies,
>> industries and capacities
>>
>> Nii
>> > Keep Well,
>> >
>> > Gideon Rop
>> > DotConnectAfrica
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:39:02 -0700
>> From: SM <sm at resistor.net>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Who controls the internet?
>> To: mje at posix.co.za
>> Cc: africann at afrinic.net
>> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20121019063959.0a9d9810 at resistor.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>> At 03:57 19-10-2012, Mark Elkins wrote:
>> >Ah.. but you don't see the AnyCast Nameservers - there are something
>> >like 43 of these around the world (3 in Africa) - we use
>> >Autonimica/NetNode...
>>
>> I didn't mention it as I was commenting about local access.
>>
>> >Nothing wrong with local nameservers - I'd assume that that is where
>> >most queries would come from.
>>
>> The "closer" nameservers are used once the RTT statistics "points" to
>> them.  Sometimes, the client ends up selecting the a server which is
>> further away because of routing oddities.  As an unrelated comment
>> the following nameservers might be queried when I send this message:
>>
>>   sns-pb.isc.org        6 ms
>>   ns1.coza.net.za     165 ms
>>   secdns1.posix.co.za 322 ms
>>
>> Regards,
>> -sm
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:25:00 +0000
>> From: Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for
>>         the     Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro
>> centre
>> To: africann at afrinic.net
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hello Marcus,
>>
>> Can we have the analysis or the presentation please - if any so far...
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Yassin
>>
>> On 15 October 2012 14:27, Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  Hi EL,
>> >
>> > The fact of being there, even if the presentation has not yet been done
>> is
>> > an "initiative" for someone. so there is nothing wrong if someone think
>> it
>> > is "good" step.
>> >
>> >
>> > Marcus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> > From: el at lisse.na
>> > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the
>> > Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre
>> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:50:19 -0400
>> > To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >
>> >
>> > How do you know that the initiative is good, when it has not been
>> > presented yet?
>> >
>> > el
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Sent from the iPhone of
>> > Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse
>> >
>> >
>> > On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:52, gangalaramsamy narayan <narayan10 at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Pierre
>> >
>> >  Good initiative, I'll be there.
>> >
>> > Rgds
>> >
>> > Narayan G.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On *Mon, 10/15/12, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>* wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Presentation of the initial Plan for the
>> > Africa Strategy, Toronto, 15th October, 15:00, Room Metro centre
>> > To: africann at afrinic.net
>> > Cc: icann-aswg at afrinic.net, "Tarek KAMEL" <tarek.kamel at icann.org>
>> > Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 12:54 AM
>> >
>> > Dear Listers,
>> >
>> > As per its TORs, the ASWG  submitted its draft outline of the ICANN
>> > Strategic plan for Africa on 1st October. The ASWG thanks all those who
>> > offered their comments and contributions; we did receive substantive
>> > contributions which have helped develop the initial draft. Comments have
>> > been posted alongside all the working documents developed by the Group
>> at
>> > http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/icann-aswg/tor.
>> >
>> > ICANN thus takes it from here. A presentation of this initial plan is
>> > scheduled for tomorrow , at 15 - 16h30, room Metro Center, at ICANN 45
>> in
>> > Toronto.
>> >
>> > ICANN will then continue the outreach and public presentation until the
>> > document evolves into a full Action plan for Africa in the next three
>> > years..There is thus still room for contributing to this work in
>> progress.
>> >
>> > The ASWG commends all those who gave their support (AfrICANN listers,
>> > ICANN's management team, ICANN board members in their individual
>> > capacities, ICANN constituency members and AfriNIC)
>> > Best regards
>> > Pierre
>> > on behalf of the ASWG
>> > --
>> > Pierre Dandjinou
>> > Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610
>> > Dakar 221 77 639 30 41
>> > www.scg.bj
>> > skype : sagbo1953
>> >
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