[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: Its like that in life, there are always bad players and bad losers! -Official response from DotConnectAfrica to Mike Silber

[Gideon]

*Direct Official Response to Mike Silber from DCA on AfrICANN Discussion
Forum*

No Mr. Mike Silber, you are obviously conflicted, but you are not man
enough to admit it to yourself. As a man, DCA thinks that you have no
integrity. If you had any, you would have honourably and respectfully
recused yourself from further participating in the ICANN new gTLD Program
Committee. The fact is that you are a Board Member of the ZADNA, an
organization that has openly endorsed UniForum ZA Central Registry as an
applicant for the .Africa gTLD. As a Board Member of ZADNA, you are also a
party to that endorsement of UniForum, and you still expect to be believed
that you are a man of integrity who is not conflicted over .Africa. Please
tell that to the marines! Why would an ICANN Board Member such as
yourself be linked in any way to the endorsement received by an applicant
for a name string participating in the ICANN new gTLD program? The
relationship between you and the ZADNA is so glaringly patent, yet you try
to dismiss it as an arms-length relationship. How could active Board
membership be described by anyone as an arms-length relationship?

Everyone knows what your voting record is on the ICANN new gTLD Program.
You had abstained from voting, so the record actually shows that you did
not approve it in June 2011 at Singapore because you thought it was not
ready. According to information available from
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/20/icann_dot_everything/
*the ICANN Board decision to approve the program on 20th June 2012 was also
criticised by abstaining ICANN director Mike Silber, who said it was not
ready yet and subject to "ego-drive deadlines".* So what are you doing
in the new gTLD Program Committee of ICANN against the backdrop that you
did not approve the program in the first place? Whose interest are you now
serving? The interest of an ICANN new gTLD program that you did not approve
of, or the interest of a community that you claim to have your trust?

You are a lawyer by training, so nobody can tell you anything about legal
liability, but you must know that you will be actually exposing yourself to
personal legal liability if you fail to recuse yourself from further
Board-level or Committee-level responsibilities regarding the new gTLD
Program; and if your continuing presence on the new gTLD Program Committee
results in any negative impacts on DCA's application.  Your past media
statements have revealed your decision-making preferences on this issue.
For example, TechCentral.co.za <http://techcentral.co.za/> quoted you as
saying that: “It is a pity that some *individuals are allowing personal
issues to get in* the way of a project that could benefit a larger
community." (Please See
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46583:african-domain-name-set-for-2013&catid=147)
Evidently, you have always had, and espoused, a Pro-Community opinion on
this matter of .Africa, so your preference is widely known, and this will
expose you to personal legal liability.  Now, your statement that *"I also
think that the trust of this community is far more important"* shows that
you intend to keep the trust of the community so that you can use your
ICANN Board position and  membership in the ICANN new gTLD Program
Committee to unfairly assist UniForum as an applicant working closely with
the community, even though you are already deeply conflicted over the issue
of .Africa.

Therefore, if you are not interested in *"some small financial victory in a
court of law"* against DCA, you should equally know that DCA Trust would be
very much interested in winning a huge financial victory over you, and take
great pleasure in hanging you out to dry like biltong! And when that
happens, there will be no community to come to your aid when you suffer
public shame and opprobrium as a deeply conflicted man who lacked
integrity! We believe that you have *only two options to consider at this
stage: step down immediately from the ICANN new gTLD Program Committee and
actually demostrate that you are truly a man of integrity; or consult
immediately with your lawyers and prepare yourself for an upcoming  legal
battle.

Thank you.*

*DotConnectAfrica*



On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:43 AM, <africann-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

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>    1. Re: It?s like that in life, there are always bad players and
>       bad losers! (Dr Yassin Mshana)
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> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:41:12 +0000
> From: Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] It?s like that in life, there are
>         always bad players and bad losers!
> To: africann at afrinic.net
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> To you sir on this? It is possible as I am not saying what you want me to
> Say. Lets stop this and concentrate on developmental issues - please. The
> size of English does not matter..
> Keeping track of my trend of thoughts is good for accountability though...
> Cheers
> Yassin (ears tuned to Toronto!)
>
> On 14 October 2012 20:20, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
> > Dr Yassin,
> >
> > You obviously are not communicating so spare us the big English. The
> > sequence 1-5 tells all. Just read...
> >
> > 1)
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2012, at 9:06, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Lets be innovative and productive please.Lets keep talking but let us be
> >> constructive
> >>
> >>
> > 2)
> >
> > On 13 October 2012 10:51, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Please tell us do you consider the URL that was posted containing
> >> constructive information?
> >>
> >
> > 3)
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2012, at 22:21, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why should I impose my judgement or understanding ?
> >
> >
> > 4)
> >
> > Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You conveniently evaded the issue.
> >
> > If you can't tell what is constructive please then spare us
> >
> >
> > 5)
> >
> > On Oct 14, 2012, at 15:04, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was not asked to specifically evaluate anything.. by you or anybody.
> > Afterall I respect peoples opinions and would not like to judge any
> because
> > of that. In that case, please dont expect me to do so since diplomacy
> > matters. I ll give my opinion where it can be effective.
> > I m not in the business of shooting opinions down in public just because
> I
> > dont agree with it nor will  I be forced to and do not have to apologise
> > for that.
> > I can see Toronto mtg teams are fully ready to move things forward to
> > share a lot of discussions on issues that has taken place back home?
> > Kind regards
> > Yassin
> >
> > From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You conveniently evaded the issue.
> >
> > You asked that member be constructive on the list. You are then asked to
> > evaluate a specific link then you give plenty excuses, huh
> >
> > If you can't tell what is constructive please then spare us
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2012, at 22:21, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why should I impose my judgement or understanding ? That is where things
> > go wrong due to rushing to conclusions and forgetting the protocol or
> > diplomacy. No one is superior when it comes to global issues...all go by
> > concensus!
> >
> > In that case, no one should expect quick conclusions from me unless there
> > is immediate danger that I m sure of.....such as non inclusiveness I
> > shouted about a few weeks ago.
> >
> > When one cries for a razor blade to play with what do you do? And when
> > will they know that its dangerous but not fatal if you intervene by
> denying
> > them?
> > Small cuts and scars are better than a smooth skin...they show that one
> > has learnt something...sounds cruel but hey! When will one learn?
> >
> > Yassin
> >
> > From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You asked that we are constructive so I inquired if you could see when
> > something is constructive eg the link posted
> >
> > Your answer says you can't?
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:06, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well well, I am not the universal Judge. You do that for for us
> please...?
> > Construction and destruction are all actions that need effort and time -
> > that is nature.
> >
> > To me, I respect everything said or written since we have different
> > opinions and reasoning methods. One can not stop one from writing about
> > tasteless things....we have no choice but just to read it first since
> they
> > don't carry a warning like Films which advice 'Parental Guidance' or
> > 'Strong Language' .
> >
> > Newspaper carries stories some bad some taste  good - you cant choose
> > which one to read .... .
> >
> > Have a good weekend Oga Nii :-))
> >
> > Yassin
> >
> > On 13 October 2012 10:51, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ...may be your African culture has "long discussions or misunderstanding
> >> " and "gossiping and long debates " however that's not mine
> >>
> >> Please tell us do you consider the URL that was posted containing
> >> constructive information? Was that a shout from the top of the hill
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 9:06, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Lets be innovative and productive please.
> >>
> >> I cant blame anyone since it is in our African culture - long
> discussions
> >> or misunderstanding can take generations long. We have everything
> including
> >> good weather therefore gossiping and long debates which keep being
> repeated
> >> by a new comer is common.
> >> Lets keep talking but let us be constructive.
> >> If you dont like something leave it or weed it off your patch!! Dont go
> >> on shouting from top of the hill (this List)
> >> Good day.
> >> Yassin
> >>
> >>
> >> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Thats *not* how it goes!
> >>
> >> The Internet has been governed in Africa since the beginning and not by
> >> storm as you suggest or wish
> >>
> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 6:45, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >> "Who sows the wind, reaps the storm."
> >> "Qui sème le vent, récolte la tempête." (French)
> >>
> >> So goes the Internet Governance in Africa.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
> >> IT Engineer / ANTIC
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> >>   ------------------------------
> >> *De :* Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
> >> *À :* "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
> >> *Cc :* attoumani karim <attoukarim at yahoo.fr>
> >> *Envoyé le :* Samedi 13 octobre 2012 6h28
> >> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] It’s like that in life, there are
> >> always bad players and bad losers!
> >>
> >> Seems This list is getting Kafkaian!!
> >>
> >> Pierre D
> >>
> >> On Friday, October 12, 2012, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
> wrote:
> >> > I saw 9 posts at the link. All are against something or somebody and 4
> >> are complaining about conflict of interest
> >> >
> >> > Where is support for something else? May be those are somewhere else
> >> > Its quite unusual and that raises questions
> >> > On Oct 12, 2012, at 19:01, Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > McTim
> >> > Here is the correspondence site of DCA with ICANN along various other
> >> letters.
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/icann-related-2/icann-outreach-and-participation/letters-to-icann/
> >> >
> >> > As far as Mr. Karim, and your reactions to the two links you posted
> >> below, I  believe Thomas has already responded to you quite well, on the
> >> same post you did on The Domain site.  I have re-posted his reply to you
> >> below.
> >> >
> >> > Dear Karim Attoumani Mohamed,
> >> > Your comments are quite irrelevant to the issue even as you have also
> >> displayed unwarranted pettiness in your attitude.
> >> > First, DCA's letter to ICANN is about Conflict of Interest. If
> >> according to your comments,  you already "agree that we must avoid
> >> conflicts of interest", then what is your problem with DCA's letter to
> >> ICANN?
> >> > Your attempt to conflate the issue and relate it to the applied-for
> >> string name is quite diversionary and aimed entirely at mischief-making
> in
> >> the pursuit of an unknown agenda. Your thinking that the 'dotAfrica'
> string
> >> and '.Africa' string are different gTLD names is borne out of wholesale
> >> ignorance.
> >> >
> >> > Moreover, you seem to be calling the results of the application for
> the
> >> gTLD strings even though you are not an expert on string similarity. Are
> >> you a member of the ICANN Evaluation Panel or do you have friends in the
> >> panel that have indicated to you secretly that they would favour your
> >> preferred applicant?
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Dakar 221 77 639 30 41
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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