Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] The Google campaign – An ITU view

Y Mshana2003 ymshana2003 at
Wed Nov 28 23:06:15 SAST 2012

Hello there..
It is interesting to see this issue re emerging but in different shape and form.
It is obvious now that involving Governments beyond GAC level has its avoidable consequences such this one. The reason being that the institutional inertia that Govts have a systems have may not either allow them to respond to changes or may respond to issues through global structures such as ITU. Time to revise ITU was when ICANN global policy was being formulated - that did not happen since the some govt policies and structures did not have a room to for Internet development in either way. The development of Internet-based economic activities did not have to wait for governments to adjust to that - otherwise we would not be benefiting from what we have at the moment. Why so? I think it is to do with Revenue generation for which Internet based activities were difficult to Tax. The only structure is maybe through ITU....that is why all this discussion is going on.

The best way was to let Governments voice issues through GAC not even through AUC as we see it happening now - involving AUC in gTLD applications process which is 100% ICANN process. 

One can not choose when to use or not to use Government systems when it comes to global issues.....or can it?

Please separate Government business from Internet global business structure until sovereign ICT policies place include the Internet phenomenon.

After all, governments do not engage in business they regulate and collect Tax. Having said that, my conclusion is ITU = Governments and ICANN = Internet constituents. Big mistake is to mix the two as it will soon happen if we hide behind either to push any agenda.

Thats my opinion on this for now until an evolution takes place...?

Kind regards

From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.

Maye Diop <mayediop at> wrote:

Dear Doc,
Then we need to work at national level and be able to conduct nation delegation well prepared including all stakeholders.
Best Regards;

2012/11/28 Nii Quaynor <quaynor at>
....that's why I fully support open government including that of member governments and ITU

On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:25, Maye Diop <mayediop at> wrote:

Hi McTim,
Internet is a democratic tools that allow everyone to express himself about all subjects. And it's becominge and more tools for propoganda. 
But when it comes to negociation beetween nations about a global issue, our representatives are our gouvernments. And that's why I fully support regional and national open consultations which allow everyone, in his context and interest, to express his position and specially allow delegations to take into account their concerns about the issue.
When a decision has a worldwide impact, we need to think about general intesrest.
I asked to french delegations attending preparatory meeting in Dakar, where is the interest of Africa, continuing as user or being a full member of the system?
Best Regards,

2012/11/28 McTim <dogwallah at>
HI Alexander,

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Ntoko, Alexander <alexander.ntoko at> wrote:
Do not forget "... in its own right..."  
This is important because many civil society organizations can participate as part of their national delegations and countries are encouraged to consult with their citizens and share all documents with them.  Some do and others do not.  Furthermore, ITU has made public the main input document to the conference.

Understood, and I for one appreciate the greater openness the ITU has shown in the last few years.

However, contrast this one nation-one vote, limited access to documents style with the truly open, transparent bottom up process that we will use this week in Khartoum @ AfriNIC17.

I can (and have) proposed policies that will be discussed this week, and they may even be adopted.  I am not a government nor do I represent a large company, just myself.  It is this kind of openness that has built the Internet we have today.


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