[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 65, Issue 90
Dr Yassin Mshana
ymshana2003 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 31 15:59:31 SAST 2012
Hello African,
Thank you for this update which I just saw.
It is good to talk ....
Kind regards
Yassin
On 30 July 2012 15:15, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
> *Official response by DotConnectAfrica to Brian's post on behalf of
> Alice on KICTANET*
>
> *
> *
>
> * First,* the deliberate *distortion that AUC/UniForum has submitted an
> application for .AFRICA is unwarranted and quite misleading,* and this
> should not be *treated as 'fact'*. The true fact is that the AUC is not
> an applicant. Only UniForum is the applicant acknowledged by ICANN.
> Therefore, it is *untruthful and rather disingenuous on your part to
> present the AUC as an applicant - either as a co- or joint applicant to
> UniForum*. Everyone should know that the AU has not applied to ICANN for
> anything, so there is no AUC application the way that you have been
> distorting 'facts' to suit your purpose.
>
> *Second,* though you have listed many things, the most important thing
> that you have left out is that the *UniForum application was not
> submitted on behalf of either the African Union Commission, African
> governments, the African Community or African Internet Community*. You
> should have listed this as '*fact'*, but you have not. Therefore*, there
> is actually no community ownership of the Applied-for string *so your use
> of the term *'official AUC endorsed application for the dotAfrica
> (.Africa) Top Level Domain*' is rather *specious and a misnomer*.
> Against this background, how is the UniForum application, in your
> estimation, *"a collaborative African initiative"?* One would expect at
> least that if it is a collaborative African initiative, *then the
> ownership of the TLD by the community should have been properly
> demonstrated by a community application conveyed as an application on
> behalf of the African Community for a .AFRICA Community TLD*.
>
> In the absence of this, we still see the UniForum application as a *deceptive
> ploy* that used the purported support of the AU Commission to garner
> support from African governments to enable them provide support for an
> application that *will benefit a special interest group*. *The way we
> see it is quite simple: DCA Trust will continue to expose this fraud for
> what it truly is*. If the AUC provided support to UniForum to apply on
> behalf of the African Community, then we believe that “*a Community TLD
> application* “for .AFRICA should have been submitted by UniForum to ICANN.
>
> *Third,* you seem to make much of a process that was "*mandated by
> African Heads of State (OR Tambo Declaration) and African Minister’s in
> charge of ICT (Abuja Declaration)" to justify your 'facts'*. Would these
> African Heads of States and Ministers *not demand some form of
> accountability regarding why a community TLD application for .Africa was
> not submitted by Uniforum?* Since you seem to know many facts regarding
> the so-called 'African Union Commission (.Africa) application, perhaps you
> should help clarify for everyone's benefit why a Community TLD application
> for .Africa was not submitted by Uniforum.
>
>
>
> *Fourth,* you have tried to make much over the fact that the *UniForum
> application is AU-supported*, and that *the "application meets and
> exceeds, the minimum evaluation criteria set by ICANN for application of
> Geographic strings." Alas, the evaluation is not only on the basis of the
> evaluation criteria for 'geographic strings'*. The evaluation criteria is
> actually more comprehensive, and covers a wide range of issues such as *technical,
> operational, financial criteria; coupled with terms & conditions, legal
> issues, etc.* We remain confident that the Uniforum application
> will fail based on the scope of its separate agreement with the African
> Union Commission. We prefer to leave such issues to the Evaluation and the
> outcome of any Dispute Resolution.
>
> *Fifth,* the application submitted by DCA Trust is for the geographic
> name 'AFRICA', pronounced as 'DotAfrica'. *This is for a 6-character
> ASCII string*. The application submitted by DCA Trust was correctly
> designated by ICANN as referring to a geographic name. Your understanding
> that it is for 'dotdotAfrica' is incorrect. Our published part of
> application is posted and available here
> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1276
>
> *Finally*, it is important for us to note that you have become *openly
> supportive of the UniForum application*, and we therefore hope that you
> will not *use any of your official affiliations either within the Kenyan
> government or the ICANN GAC* to influence things in their favour. We
> caution you not to be official or unofficial spokesperson of UniForum, and
> allow the applications that have been submitted to ICANN to be evaluated
> fairly without any undue interference on your part or on the part of the
> group that you now seem to represent in the most unabashed manner .
>
> DotConnectAfrica.
>
>
>
> *Brian's Posting Below:*
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> *To:* africann at afrinic.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Fw: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>
> *Facts Regarding the African Union Commission (.Africa) application*
> * *
> 1. The African Union Commission’s (AUC) involvement in the dotAfrica
> (.Africa) Top Level Domain (TLD) process has been mandated by African Heads
> of State (OR Tambo Declaration) and African Minister’s in charge of ICT
> (Abuja Declaration).
> 2. In fulfilling its mandate the AUC has, in accordance with an open
> and transparent Request for Proposal (RFP) process, officially endorsed
> UniForum SA t/a the ZA Central Registry (ZACR) to apply for and launch the
> dotAfrica (.Africa) TLD.
> 3. The AUC/ZACR, in accordance with the procedures and standards
> prescribed by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> (ICANN), has officially lodged an application with ICANN for the delegation
> of the (.Africa), under reference number: 1-1243-89583. This application
> constitutes the official AUC endorsed application for the dotAfrica
> (.Africa) Top Level Domain. Further details of this official application
> is available at:
> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1184
>
> 4. There is a competing private application, for a confusingly similar
> string, lodged by DotConnectAfrica Trust. The application for the
> dotdotAfrica (.dotAfrica) TLD string, under reference number 1-1165-42560.
> 5. The AUC/ZACR’s application meets and exceeds, the minimum
> evaluation criteria set by ICANN for application of Geographic strings.
> 6. The AUC/ZACR’s application, is correctly designated as a geographic
> application in accordance with the criteria and processes outlined in
> ICANN’s Applicant Guidebook.
> In particular: *Africa (and therefore .Africa) is a clearly designated
> geographic area as defined in the UNESCO “Composition of macro geographical
> (continental) regions, geographical sub-regions, and selected economic and
> other groupings” list (http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm
> ).*Therefore the designation of the official dotAfrica (.Africa) TLD
> string application, as a geographic name, is technically and procedurally
> correct. The "geographic evaluation process" that this application is
> subject to provides sufficient checks and balances for the protection of
> interests and rights of African governments and the pan-African community.
>
> 7. The AUC endorsed dotAfrica (.Africa) application has been, and
> continues to be, a collaborative African initiative involving African
> governments, ICT stakeholders and the broader African community.
> In this regard the stated mission and objective of the AUC’s officially
> endorsed application is enshrined in its answers to question 18 of the
> Application, which is publicly available on the ICANN New gTLD website
> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1184
>
>
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> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:18 AM, <africann-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: [***SPAM***] [AfrICANN-discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-44] Africa
>> Strategic plan (McTim)
>> 2. Re: Fw: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> (Brian Munyao Longwe)
>> 3. Re: Help with .africa history (Seun Ojedeji)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:08:11 -0400
>> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [***SPAM***] [AfrICANN-discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-44] Africa
>> Strategic plan
>> To: Sophia Bekele <sophiabekele at yahoo.com>, africann at afrinic.net
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>> Hi Sophia,
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Sophia Bekele <sophiabekele at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > McTim-
>> > I actually responded to you yesterday on this matter, you could not have
>> > seen it, since it was not posted, also my question on the UN.
>>
>>
>> I see the confusion now, when I said un-moderated that means NOT
>> moderated.
>>
>> I read your UN moderated list as "United Nations".
>>
>> So while I have your attention, is it actually the case that DCA meant
>> to apply for .africa but do to a typo, you have actually applied for
>> .DotAfrica?
>>
>> In the interests of transparency and openness, I would be curious to
>> see any correspondence on this issue between ICANN and DCA.
>>
>> At the moment, I am confused as to what has actually been applied for
>> (and perhaps ICANN is as well).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:53:33 +0300
>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Fw: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> To: africann at afrinic.net
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>> *Facts Regarding the African Union Commission (.Africa) application*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> 1. The African Union Commission’s (AUC) involvement in the dotAfrica
>> (.Africa) Top Level Domain (TLD) process has been mandated by African
>> Heads
>> of State (OR Tambo Declaration) and African Minister’s in charge of ICT
>> (Abuja Declaration).****
>>
>> 2. In fulfilling its mandate the AUC has, in accordance with an open
>> and
>> transparent Request for Proposal (RFP) process, officially endorsed
>> UniForum SA t/a the ZA Central Registry (ZACR) to apply for and launch the
>> dotAfrica (.Africa) TLD.****
>>
>> 3. The AUC/ZACR, in accordance with the procedures and standards
>> prescribed by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> (ICANN), has officially lodged an application with ICANN for the
>> delegation
>> of the (.Africa), under reference number: 1-1243-89583. This application
>> constitutes the official AUC endorsed application for the dotAfrica
>> (.Africa) Top Level Domain. Further details of this official application
>> is available at:****
>>
>> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1184
>> ****
>>
>> 4. There is a competing private application, for a confusingly similar
>> string, lodged by DotConnectAfrica Trust. The application for the
>> dotdotAfrica (.dotAfrica) TLD string, under reference number
>> 1-1165-42560.**
>> **
>>
>> 5. The AUC/ZACR’s application meets and exceeds, the minimum evaluation
>> criteria set by ICANN for application of Geographic strings.****
>>
>> 6. The AUC/ZACR’s application, is correctly designated as a geographic
>> application in accordance with the criteria and processes outlined in
>> ICANN’s Applicant Guidebook.****
>>
>> In particular: *Africa (and therefore .Africa) is a clearly designated
>> geographic area as defined in the UNESCO “Composition of macro
>> geographical
>> (continental) regions, geographical sub-regions, and selected economic and
>> other groupings” list (
>> http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm).
>> *Therefore the designation of the official dotAfrica (.Africa) TLD string
>> application, as a geographic name, is technically and procedurally
>> correct.
>> The "geographic evaluation process" that this application is subject to
>> provides sufficient checks and balances for the protection of interests
>> and
>> rights of African governments and the pan-African community. **
>>
>> 7. The AUC endorsed dotAfrica (.Africa) application has been, and
>> continues to be, a collaborative African initiative involving African
>> governments, ICT stakeholders and the broader African community.****
>>
>> In this regard the stated mission and objective of the AUC’s officially
>> endorsed application is enshrined in its answers to question 18 of the
>> Application, which is publicly available on the ICANN New gTLD website
>>
>> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1184
>> ****
>>
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>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
>> > In this world, Diplomacy matters a great deal - may stop wars or start
>> > wars when it fails.
>> >
>> > From what have reading and based on the trend of events... there is a
>> > belief that the AU was not used/misused properly - why was it important
>> to
>> > run to AU before the African Community which AU represents as an
>> > Organisation?
>> >
>> > I wish to absolve AU from this saga since I am convinced to believe that
>> > the Advisory to AU 'is in persons' were or are involved in the
>> <.africa>
>> > saga.
>> >
>> > In addition, it is difficult to rule out that to 'hold' a
>> > meeting purported to be between AU and ICANN 44 in Prague is a simple
>> > thing to do without the necessary sanctions - to dig deeper I for one
>> > would like t ask, "was such type of meetings in the standing schedules
>> of
>> > AU?" this is question which is seeking for enlightenment.
>> >
>> > To dig deeper for facts, was the meeting in Prague scheduled as per AU
>> > mandate ? that is short of asking similar question to what happened
>> during
>> > ICANN-43 Dakar when Hon Ministers were in attendance. The Diplomacy of
>> the
>> > Internet seems to be different whereby a meeting may take place without
>> > observing the protocol of letting all know? OR were the Meetings of
>> > extraordinary strategic importance that we know about them later?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 27 July 2012 00:24, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> My problem is the way the AU was brought in and used in this saga..
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> How would you have done it?
>> >>
>> >> The Guidebook didn't specify HOW it would be done, and that is perhaps
>> >> something that we can blame ICANN for (since ICANN is ourselves
>> however, we
>> >> only have ourselves to blame).
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> McTim
>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route
>> >> indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>> >>
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>> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:06:41 +0100
>> From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> To: africann at afrinic.net
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>> Thanks Badru,
>>
>> Your comment is the take home for me; I agree that politics exists in
>> other
>> continent however I also like to note that there is just something
>> distinct
>> about that of Africa! Why for instance do we need to have two applications
>> for the same initiative, can't we just collectively agree on one thing and
>> do the pushing in the same direction. May plead that the oldies amongst us
>> help we young generation set a stand on this...let's begin to have an era
>> in Africa where we disagree to agree on issues. The death of the president
>> of Ghana and the smooth transitional process gives my hope for Africa!
>> Let's stop this disagreeing to disagree model...our collective work should
>> speak louder and not us speaking for our personal motives!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> OJ
>> sent from google nexus
>> On Jul 26, 2012 4:00 PM, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Members
>> >
>> > It pains me to see that we are all here with the best of intentions but
>> > seem to have a hard time sharing the same vision which is the digital
>> > emancipation of our beloved continent. In a world of many independent
>> and
>> > committed individuals we have to be prepared to seek synergy. Not a win
>> > loose position but win win positions. In this continent of billions
>> with
>> > so much to do why do we spend too much of our energies fighting battles
>> > where they will be no winners.
>> >
>> > .africa or dotafrica whichever tld ends up being licensed is to serve
>> the
>> > african community. So let's start sharing how we will do this and exert
>> > less of our energies in historical battles.
>> >
>> > Individual battles need to end.
>> >
>> > My 2 bits
>> >
>> > Badru Ntege
>> > CEO
>> > NFT Consult Ltd
>> > Www.Nftconsult.com
>> >
>> > "Vision without execution is hallucination."
>> > -- Thomas A. Edison
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:35, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Even me I am getting tired of repeating myself - there should be no War
>> -
>> > it is only a matter of Fair Competition!
>> >
>> > Bringing in AU in the competition is wrong, worse even is including GAC
>> in
>> > this business area. These bodies have their specific mandate -
>> overwhelming
>> > issues and initiatives need to be sorted by them eg. NEPAD, ICT
>> Development
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > The poison was put in the well when groupings started to emerge and when
>> > AU was misused/misdirected! As an African one could not stay quiet while
>> > bullying and character assassinations are taking place...?
>> >
>> > Good day everyone
>> >
>> > Yassin
>> >
>> > On 26 July 2012 07:22, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It seems the art of war by Sun Tzu is playing quite well with the
>> .africa
>> >> gTLD. With the war of words going round, its hard to ascertain who is
>> right
>> >> of wrong.
>> >>
>> >> But all the same, it has been said over and over again, .africa being a
>> >> geographical string, the winner will be the one who has the blessings
>> of
>> >> the African community, and AU has put one foot into the fray.
>> >>
>> >> Is there an africawide GAC committee? If yes, what it's stand?
>> >>
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