[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 65, Issue 90
Kivuva
Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
Mon Jul 30 19:32:49 SAST 2012
This thread has a lot of "primitive energy" (to paraphrase Korean air).
Several companies have applied for the same strings in the new ICANN
call for applications, with the following strings having more than one
applicant; .home 11, .art 10, .inc 11, .blog 9, .cloud 7, .tech 6
.Search, .store, .talk, .drive, .sh, .wow, .docs.
Luckily, for Africa, the few applicants never competed with each other.
On 30/07/2012, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
> I'm really puzzled by this peroration. As an outsider to AFRICA, but one
> hoping that our organisations may provide techical assitance to all
> African registries (ccTLD as well as newTLD), I am really at a loss to
> understand how a simple application process can engender so much vitriol.
>
> The string applied for by DCA is listed as DOTAFRICA not AFRICA and that
> is clearly shown on ICANN's website.
>
> Are you saying that ICANN somehow added the three letters 'DOT' to the
> 'AFRICA' part of the requested string without DCA's permission.
>
> So it seems to me it appears to be accurate, if rather disingenuously
> satirical, to describe DCA's application as DOTDOTAFRICA (or .DOTAFRICA
> to be precise).
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30/07/12 16:15, Gideon wrote:
>> *Official response by DotConnectAfrica to Brian's post on behalf of
>> Alice on KICTANET*
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>> *_First,_*the deliberate *_distortion that AUC/UniForum has submitted an
>> application for .AFRICA is unwarranted and quite misleading,_* and this
>> should not be *treated as 'fact'*. The true fact is that the AUC is not
>> an applicant. Only UniForum is the applicant acknowledged by ICANN.
>> Therefore, it is *untruthful and rather disingenuous on your part to
>> present the AUC as an applicant - either as a co- or joint applicant to
>> UniForum*. Everyone should know that the AU has not applied to ICANN for
>> anything, so there is no AUC application the way that you have been
>> distorting 'facts' to suit your purpose.
>>
>> *_Second,_* though you have listed many things, the most important thing
>> that you have left out is that the */UniForum application was not
>> submitted on behalf of either the African Union Commission, African
>> governments, the African Community or African Internet Community/*. You
>> should have listed this as '*fact'*, but you have not. Therefore*,
>> _there is actually no community ownership of the Applied-for string _*so
>> your use of the term */'official AUC endorsed application for the
>> dotAfrica (.Africa) Top Level Domain/*' is rather *specious and a
>> misnomer*. Against this background, how is the UniForum application,
>> in your estimation, */"a collaborative African initiative"?/* One would
>> expect at least that if it is a collaborative African initiative, */then
>> the ownership of the TLD by the community should have been properly
>> demonstrated by a community application conveyed as an application on
>> behalf of the African Community for a .AFRICA Community TLD/*.
>>
>> In the absence of this, we still see the UniForum application as a
>> *_deceptive ploy_* that used the purported support of the AU
>> Commission to garner support from African governments to enable them
>> provide support for an application that *will benefit a special interest
>> group*. */_The way we see it is quite simple: DCA Trust will continue to
>> expose this fraud for what it truly is_/*. If the AUC provided support
>> to UniForum to apply on behalf of the African Community, then we believe
>> that “*/_a Community TLD application_/* “for .AFRICA should have been
>> submitted by UniForum to ICANN.
>>
>> *_Third,_*you seem to make much of a process that was "*_mandated by
>> African Heads of State (OR Tambo Declaration) and African Minister’s in
>> charge of ICT (Abuja Declaration)" to justify your 'facts'_*. Would
>> these African Heads of States and Ministers */not demand some form of
>> accountability regarding why a community TLD application for .Africa was
>> not submitted by Uniforum?/* Since you seem to know many facts
>> regarding the so-called 'African Union Commission (.Africa) application,
>> perhaps you should help clarify for everyone's benefit why a Community
>> TLD application for .Africa was not submitted by Uniforum.
>>
>> *_Fourth,_* you have tried to make much over the fact that the
>> *UniForum application is AU-supported*, and that *the "application meets
>> and exceeds, the minimum evaluation criteria set by ICANN for
>> application of Geographic strings." Alas, the evaluation is not only on
>> the basis of the evaluation criteria for 'geographic strings'*. The
>> evaluation criteria is actually more comprehensive, and covers a wide
>> range of issues such as */_technical, operational, financial criteria;
>> coupled with terms & conditions, legal issues, etc._/* We remain
>> confident that the Uniforum application will fail based on the scope of
>> its separate agreement with the African Union Commission. We prefer to
>> leave such issues to the Evaluation and the outcome of any Dispute
>> Resolution.
>>
>> *_Fifth,_*the application submitted by DCA Trust is for the geographic
>> name 'AFRICA', pronounced as 'DotAfrica'. *_This is for a 6-character
>> ASCII string_*. The application submitted by DCA Trust was correctly
>> designated by ICANN as referring to a geographic name. Your
>> understanding that it is for 'dotdotAfrica' is incorrect. Our published
>> part of application is posted and available here
>> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1276
>>
>> *_Finally_*, it is important for us to note that you have become *openly
>> supportive of the UniForum application*, and we therefore hope that you
>> will not *_use any of your official affiliations either within the
>> Kenyan government or the ICANN GAC_* to influence things in their
>> favour. We caution you not to be official or unofficial spokesperson of
>> UniForum, and allow the applications that have been submitted to ICANN
>> to be evaluated fairly without any undue interference on your part or on
>> the part of the group that you now seem to represent in the most
>> unabashed manner .
>>
>> DotConnectAfrica.
>>
>> _Brian's Posting Below:_
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com
>> <mailto:blongwe at gmail.com>>
>> *To:* africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:53 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Fw: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>>
>> *Facts Regarding the African Union Commission (.Africa) application*
>> **
>> 1.The African Union Commission’s (AUC) involvement in the dotAfrica
>> (.Africa) Top Level Domain (TLD) process has been mandated by African
>> Heads of State (OR Tambo Declaration) and African Minister’s in charge
>> of ICT (Abuja Declaration).
>> 2.In fulfilling its mandate the AUC has, in accordance with an open and
>> transparent Request for Proposal (RFP) process, officially endorsed
>> UniForum SA t/a the ZA Central Registry (ZACR) to apply for and launch
>> the dotAfrica (.Africa) TLD.
>> 3.The AUC/ZACR, in accordance with the procedures and standards
>> prescribed by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> (ICANN), has officially lodged an application with ICANN for the
>> delegation of the (.Africa), under reference number: 1-1243-89583. This
>> application constitutes the official AUC endorsed application for the
>> dotAfrica (.Africa) Top Level Domain. Further details of this official
>> application is available
>> at:http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1184
>>
>> 4.There is a competing private application, for a confusingly similar
>> string, lodged by DotConnectAfrica Trust. The application for the
>> dotdotAfrica (.dotAfrica) TLD string, under reference number
>> 1-1165-42560.
>> 5.The AUC/ZACR’s application meets and exceeds, the minimum evaluation
>> criteria set by ICANN for application of Geographic strings.
>> 6.The AUC/ZACR’s application, is correctly designated as a geographic
>> application in accordance with the criteria and processes outlined in
>> ICANN’s Applicant Guidebook.
>> In particular:/Africa (and therefore .Africa) is a clearly designated
>> geographic area as defined in the UNESCO “Composition of macro
>> geographical (continental) regions, geographical sub-regions, and
>> selected economic and other groupings” list
>> (http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm)./Therefore the
>> designation of the official dotAfrica (.Africa) TLD string application,
>> as a geographic name, is technically and procedurally correct. The
>> "geographic evaluation process" that this application is subject to
>> provides sufficient checks and balances for the protection of interests
>> and rights of African governments and the pan-African community.
>> 7.The AUC endorsed dotAfrica (.Africa) application has been, and
>> continues to be, a collaborative African initiative involving African
>> governments, ICT stakeholders and the broader African community.
>> In this regard the stated mission and objective of the AUC’s officially
>> endorsed application is enshrined in its answers to question 18 of the
>> Application, which is publicly available on the ICANN New gTLD website
>> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1184
>>
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>> 1. Re: [***SPAM***] [AfrICANN-discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-44] Africa
>> Strategic plan (McTim)
>> 2. Re: Fw: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> (Brian Munyao Longwe)
>> 3. Re: Help with .africa history (Seun Ojedeji)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:08:11 -0400
>> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [***SPAM***] [AfrICANN-discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-44]
>> Africa
>> Strategic plan
>> To: Sophia Bekele <sophiabekele at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:sophiabekele at yahoo.com>>, africann at afrinic.net
>> <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>
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>> Hi Sophia,
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Sophia Bekele
>> <sophiabekele at yahoo.com <mailto:sophiabekele at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> > McTim-
>> > I actually responded to you yesterday on this matter, you could
>> not have
>> > seen it, since it was not posted, also my question on the UN.
>>
>>
>> I see the confusion now, when I said un-moderated that means NOT
>> moderated.
>>
>> I read your UN moderated list as "United Nations".
>>
>> So while I have your attention, is it actually the case that DCA
>> meant
>> to apply for .africa but do to a typo, you have actually applied for
>> .DotAfrica?
>>
>> In the interests of transparency and openness, I would be curious to
>> see any correspondence on this issue between ICANN and DCA.
>>
>> At the moment, I am confused as to what has actually been applied for
>> (and perhaps ICANN is as well).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:53:33 +0300
>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com
>> <mailto:blongwe at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Fw: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> To: africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>
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>> *Facts Regarding the African Union Commission (.Africa) application*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> 1. The African Union Commission’s (AUC) involvement in the
>> dotAfrica
>> (.Africa) Top Level Domain (TLD) process has been mandated by
>> African Heads
>> of State (OR Tambo Declaration) and African Minister’s in charge of
>> ICT
>> (Abuja Declaration).****
>>
>> 2. In fulfilling its mandate the AUC has, in accordance with an
>> open and
>> transparent Request for Proposal (RFP) process, officially endorsed
>> UniForum SA t/a the ZA Central Registry (ZACR) to apply for and
>> launch the
>> dotAfrica (.Africa) TLD.****
>>
>> 3. The AUC/ZACR, in accordance with the procedures and standards
>> prescribed by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> (ICANN), has officially lodged an application with ICANN for the
>> delegation
>> of the (.Africa), under reference number: 1-1243-89583. This
>> application
>> constitutes the official AUC endorsed application for the dotAfrica
>> (.Africa) Top Level Domain. Further details of this official
>> application
>> is available at:****
>>
>> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1184
>> ****
>>
>> 4. There is a competing private application, for a confusingly
>> similar
>> string, lodged by DotConnectAfrica Trust. The application for the
>> dotdotAfrica (.dotAfrica) TLD string, under reference number
>> 1-1165-42560.**
>> **
>>
>> 5. The AUC/ZACR’s application meets and exceeds, the minimum
>> evaluation
>> criteria set by ICANN for application of Geographic strings.****
>>
>> 6. The AUC/ZACR’s application, is correctly designated as a
>> geographic
>> application in accordance with the criteria and processes outlined in
>> ICANN’s Applicant Guidebook.****
>>
>> In particular: *Africa (and therefore .Africa) is a clearly
>> designated
>> geographic area as defined in the UNESCO “Composition of macro
>> geographical
>> (continental) regions, geographical sub-regions, and selected
>> economic and
>> other groupings” list
>> (http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm).
>> *Therefore the designation of the official dotAfrica (.Africa) TLD
>> string
>> application, as a geographic name, is technically and procedurally
>> correct.
>> The "geographic evaluation process" that this application is subject
>> to
>> provides sufficient checks and balances for the protection of
>> interests and
>> rights of African governments and the pan-African community. **
>>
>> 7. The AUC endorsed dotAfrica (.Africa) application has been, and
>> continues to be, a collaborative African initiative involving African
>> governments, ICT stakeholders and the broader African community.****
>>
>> In this regard the stated mission and objective of the AUC’s
>> officially
>> endorsed application is enshrined in its answers to question 18 of
>> the
>> Application, which is publicly available on the ICANN New gTLD
>> website
>>
>> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicationdetails/1184
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
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>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Dr Yassin Mshana
>> <ymshana2003 at gmail.com <mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>>wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
>> > In this world, Diplomacy matters a great deal - may stop wars or
>> start
>> > wars when it fails.
>> >
>> > From what have reading and based on the trend of events... there
>> is a
>> > belief that the AU was not used/misused properly - why was it
>> important to
>> > run to AU before the African Community which AU represents as an
>> > Organisation?
>> >
>> > I wish to absolve AU from this saga since I am convinced to
>> believe that
>> > the Advisory to AU 'is in persons' were or are involved in the
>> <.africa>
>> > saga.
>> >
>> > In addition, it is difficult to rule out that to 'hold' a
>> > meeting purported to be between AU and ICANN 44 in Prague is a
>> simple
>> > thing to do without the necessary sanctions - to dig deeper I
>> for one
>> > would like t ask, "was such type of meetings in the standing
>> schedules of
>> > AU?" this is question which is seeking for enlightenment.
>> >
>> > To dig deeper for facts, was the meeting in Prague scheduled as
>> per AU
>> > mandate ? that is short of asking similar question to what
>> happened during
>> > ICANN-43 Dakar when Hon Ministers were in attendance. The
>> Diplomacy of the
>> > Internet seems to be different whereby a meeting may take place
>> without
>> > observing the protocol of letting all know? OR were the Meetings
>> of
>> > extraordinary strategic importance that we know about them later?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 27 July 2012 00:24, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com
>> <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Y Mshana2003
>> <ymshana2003 at gmail.com <mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> My problem is the way the AU was brought in and used in this
>> saga..
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> How would you have done it?
>> >>
>> >> The Guidebook didn't specify HOW it would be done, and that is
>> perhaps
>> >> something that we can blame ICANN for (since ICANN is ourselves
>> however, we
>> >> only have ourselves to blame).
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> McTim
>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it
>> is. A route
>> >> indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>> >>
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>> From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
>> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
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>> Thanks Badru,
>>
>> Your comment is the take home for me; I agree that politics exists
>> in other
>> continent however I also like to note that there is just something
>> distinct
>> about that of Africa! Why for instance do we need to have two
>> applications
>> for the same initiative, can't we just collectively agree on one
>> thing and
>> do the pushing in the same direction. May plead that the oldies
>> amongst us
>> help we young generation set a stand on this...let's begin to have
>> an era
>> in Africa where we disagree to agree on issues. The death of the
>> president
>> of Ghana and the smooth transitional process gives my hope for
>> Africa!
>> Let's stop this disagreeing to disagree model...our collective work
>> should
>> speak louder and not us speaking for our personal motives!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> OJ
>> sent from google nexus
>> On Jul 26, 2012 4:00 PM, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > Members
>> >
>> > It pains me to see that we are all here with the best of
>> intentions but
>> > seem to have a hard time sharing the same vision which is the
>> digital
>> > emancipation of our beloved continent. In a world of many
>> independent and
>> > committed individuals we have to be prepared to seek synergy.
>> Not a win
>> > loose position but win win positions. In this continent of
>> billions with
>> > so much to do why do we spend too much of our energies fighting
>> battles
>> > where they will be no winners.
>> >
>> > .africa or dotafrica whichever tld ends up being licensed is to
>> serve the
>> > african community. So let's start sharing how we will do this
>> and exert
>> > less of our energies in historical battles.
>> >
>> > Individual battles need to end.
>> >
>> > My 2 bits
>> >
>> > Badru Ntege
>> > CEO
>> > NFT Consult Ltd
>> > Www.Nftconsult.com <http://Www.Nftconsult.com>
>> >
>> > "Vision without execution is hallucination."
>> > -- Thomas A. Edison
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:35, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Even me I am getting tired of repeating myself - there should be
>> no War -
>> > it is only a matter of Fair Competition!
>> >
>> > Bringing in AU in the competition is wrong, worse even is
>> including GAC in
>> > this business area. These bodies have their specific mandate -
>> overwhelming
>> > issues and initiatives need to be sorted by them eg. NEPAD, ICT
>> Development
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > The poison was put in the well when groupings started to emerge
>> and when
>> > AU was misused/misdirected! As an African one could not stay
>> quiet while
>> > bullying and character assassinations are taking place...?
>> >
>> > Good day everyone
>> >
>> > Yassin
>> >
>> > On 26 July 2012 07:22, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
>> <mailto:Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It seems the art of war by Sun Tzu is playing quite well with
>> the .africa
>> >> gTLD. With the war of words going round, its hard to ascertain
>> who is right
>> >> of wrong.
>> >>
>> >> But all the same, it has been said over and over again, .africa
>> being a
>> >> geographical string, the winner will be the one who has the
>> blessings of
>> >> the African community, and AU has put one foot into the fray.
>> >>
>> >> Is there an africawide GAC committee? If yes, what it's stand?
>> >>
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