[AfrICANN-discuss] Still on new gTLD
Remmy Nweke
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Sat Jul 7 03:11:54 SAST 2012
This may be of interest to some of us.
http://www.itrealms.com.ng/2012/07/new-gtld-why-africa-ranks-low.html
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> 1. Re: Help with .africa history ("Michele Neylon :: Blacknight")
> 2. Re: Help with .africa history (Dr Yassin Mshana)
> 3. Re: Help with .africa history ("Michele Neylon :: Blacknight")
> 4. Re: Help with .africa history (Calvin Browne)
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> From: "\"Michele Neylon :: Blacknight\"" <michele at blacknight.ie>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
> To: "<africann at afrinic.net>" <africann at afrinic.net>
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> On 3 Jul 2012, at 08:25, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>
> > As I was one of the European Council Members for the DNSO (before it
> split into ccNSO and GNSO) I can confirm Calvin is correct - when he says
> it was normal that the ccTLD Constitutency considered a newTLD proposal
> that was presented to the DNSO this was entirely in line with the ICANN
> structure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nigel
> >
> > PS: ICANN was smaller then. Interestingly although (as a ccTLD manager)
> I strongly support the historical reboot of ICANN, the increase in influece
> that the creation of a separate Supporting Organisation brought to the
> ccTLDs, was a tradeoff at the expense of useful cross-fertilisation with
> gTLD people IMO
>
>
> And there's still a rather deep separation between the two groups today ..
> GNSO and ccNSO don't talk to each other that much - which is a pity
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 03/07/12 09:06, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
> >> Calvin,
> >>
> >> Thanks for refreshing (all of our memories) on some of the less
> >> noticeable and easy to be missed aspects of the .africa history.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Calvin Browne <
> calvin at orange-tree.alt.za
> >> <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 02/07/2012 16:37, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
> >>> Hello Africans,
> >>>
> >>> I think we are getting somewhere now.
> >>>
> >>> How comes no one knows anything about <.africa> issues in the past?
> >>
> >> It's simple - they came after this happened, or their memories are
> >> fading.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Can we accurate please? That will be the misleading information
> >>> that I had mentioned to Rebecca.
> >>
> >> Agreed - which is why I'm providing references (which took some time
> >> to dig up).
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I know and remember that the issue of <.africa> did not come up
> >>> and should not have been considered by ccTLD (ccNSO) constituent
> >>> since there is and was gTLD Constituent which was responsible for
> >>> that issue.
> >>
> >> Not entirely correct.
> >> There was a DNSO (Domain Name Support Organisation) which had
> >> several 'constituencies'. Only later did the cc's organise into a
> >> separate Supporting Organisation (I think it was first mooted in
> >> Stockholm). So, basically, the cc's only had a 'separate' voice
> >> later. Until the ccNSO was formed, everything they did was
> >> channelled through the DNSO, now the GNSO.
> >> As I mainly hung out in the cc group, it was the logical place for
> >> me to get some opposition to what was, in my eyes, a recolonisation
> >> attempt.
> >> I was not alone in this effort - and lots of other people, Africans
> >> and non-Africans were involved in this opposition.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> May I suggest that we provide accurate information please? If one
> >>> does not know - just say so please - the issues was beyond your
> >>> mandate. Fellow Africans, let us be professional by giving
> >>> accurate information to the journalist please! No room for
> >>> anything else but a True Story...
> >>
> >> Well - you're welcome to believe a woman who arrived half way on the
> >> scene, and implemented a business plan which I outlined to her in a
> >> lunch meeting in São Paulo in 2006, and subsequently claimed the
> >> idea as her own.
> >>
> >> Or, you could go look at the records (which admittedly takes time).
> >>
> >> It was only when I saw clear errors which were going to put forward
> >> that I felt the need to spend the hour or two doing research to get
> >> substantiation.
> >>
> >> And I did outline the stuff which I've substantiated above to
> >> 'Becky. Although I got my initial dates wrong by a year.
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> --Calvin
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> May I request this to apply in everything we communicate? It is
> >>> impossible one to know everything....or it is?
> >>>
> >>> That is all for now on this
> >>>
> >>> Yassin (Neutral and 24/7 for Africa!!)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2 July 2012 12:19, Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za
> >>> <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 02/07/2012 13:10, Calvin Browne wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 28/06/2012 13:24, Dandjinou Pierre wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Rebecca,
> >>>
> >>> Good you are writing the history of .Africa
> >>>
> >>> To my knowledge, there has not been any application
> >>> for the .Africa
> >>> string, apart from those we now have with the new gTLD
> >>> programme.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There was an actual application in one of the previous
> >>> rounds. The applicant even paid a fee, but never came to
> >>> present.
> >>>
> >>> I personally helped to pen the GAC' s opposition statement
> >>> to this application. This statement was, if memory serves
> >>> me right, actually adopted by the Country Code TLD
> >>> Registry Constituency, as it was then known, largely intact.
> >>>
> >>> Herewith the application list concerned:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://archive.icann.org/en/tlds/tld-applications-lodged-02oct00.htm
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>>
> >>> --Calvin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >From
> >>>
> >>>
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111500.html
> >>> - the cc's report was summarised (Ben Edelmann had a habit of
> >>> summing up what was actually said) as "African ICANN
> >>> participants: Urge vigilance when delegating regional TLDs,
> >>> especially regions without a developed Internet community. "
> >>>
> >>> Also:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111400.html
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> C. ccTLD Constituency: Past 2 days with over 40 ccTLDs
> >>> present, got substantial and sometimes unanimous consensus on
> >>> 4 items. Materials at http://www.wwtld.org .
> >>> 1. Contract for services between ccTLDs and ICANN.
> >>> 2. Discussed �best practice� document. Further discussion at
> >>> 10:30.
> >>> 3. Object to regional geographic names for new TLDs (�.africa�).
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> Seems even the ISP constituency got on board:
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> D. ISP Constituency: Tony Harris presenting.
> >>> <SNIP>
> >>> 4. New gTLDs: Aware of concerns about .africa. Advise careful
> >>> and deliberate rollout of new TLDs to cope with land rush
> >>> problems. Concerned that review may have been biased. Expenses
> >>> of process should be made public.
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> I can't find the GAC's letter - they had a habit of storing it
> >>> on a separate server.
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>>
> >>> --Calvin
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> /"The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Munyao Longwe
> >> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com <mailto:blongwe at gmail.com>
> >> cell: +254715964281
> >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
> >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand
> >> for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:15:45 +0100
> From: Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
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> I remember the battles during ICANN Cape Town then in Mar de Plata! which
> is still going on.. It was the decolonization process within the PDP.
> Africans were very vocal and things went on well - Guidelines and Policies
> are in place. No natonal or regional political interference. Remember what
> was going on with some countries which affected the management of some
> ccTLDs? Now every country has its TLD and a stable Management - bravo!
> Africans did not fight over their TLDs or did they?
>
> The question now is, why are is there a fight over .africa? It is a gTLD
> matter and members of African ccTLDs know where they stand.
>
> Now turning to personal attacks over .africa makes the scene unpleasant and
> that is where the unprofessional-ism comes in. It is good ideas were shared
> - that is very good and encouraging!
>
> Supporting good causes is what one should do - not to frustrate efforts
> being made by various actors. Ability to run a gTLD is mainly from the
> investments made and capabilities to run a successful gTLD. That means
> risking a lot of money!!
>
> I wish we stopped playing games - this is a serious matter. Africa may miss
> the boat again?!?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Yassin
>
>
> On 3 July 2012 08:32, SM <sm at resistor.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Calvin,
> >
> > At 23:25 02-07-2012, Calvin Browne wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed - which is why I'm providing references (which took some time to
> >> dig up).
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for providing the references.
> >
> >
> > As I mainly hung out in the cc group, it was the logical place for me to
> >> get some opposition to what was, in my eyes, a recolonisation attempt.
> >>
> >
> > There may still be recolonisation attempts.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -sm
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> From: "\"Michele Neylon :: Blacknight\"" <michele at blacknight.ie>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
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> On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:15, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>
> > I remember the battles during ICANN Cape Town then in Mar de Plata!
> which is still going on.. It was the decolonization process within the
> PDP. Africans were very vocal and things went on well - Guidelines and
> Policies are in place. No natonal or regional political interference.
> Remember what was going on with some countries which affected the
> management of some ccTLDs? Now every country has its TLD and a stable
> Management - bravo! Africans did not fight over their TLDs or did they?
> >
> > The question now is, why are is there a fight over .africa?
>
> Is there?
>
> My understanding was that there was only one application for .africa, so
> it's uncontested ..
>
>
>
> > It is a gTLD matter and members of African ccTLDs know where they stand.
> >
> > Now turning to personal attacks over .africa makes the scene unpleasant
> and that is where the unprofessional-ism comes in. It is good ideas were
> shared - that is very good and encouraging!
> >
> > Supporting good causes is what one should do - not to frustrate efforts
> being made by various actors. Ability to run a gTLD is mainly from the
> investments made and capabilities to run a successful gTLD. That means
> risking a lot of money!!
> >
> > I wish we stopped playing games - this is a serious matter. Africa may
> miss the boat again?!?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Yassin
> >
> >
> > On 3 July 2012 08:32, SM <sm at resistor.net> wrote:
> > Hi Calvin,
> >
> > At 23:25 02-07-2012, Calvin Browne wrote:
> > Agreed - which is why I'm providing references (which took some time to
> dig up).
> >
> > Thanks for providing the references.
> >
> >
> > As I mainly hung out in the cc group, it was the logical place for me to
> get some opposition to what was, in my eyes, a recolonisation attempt.
> >
> > There may still be recolonisation attempts.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -sm
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> > Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?
> > "The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot read or
> > write but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin Toffler
> >
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> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:24:48 +0200
> From: Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
> To: africann at afrinic.net
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> On 03/07/2012 10:05, Nii Narku Quaynor wrote:
> > Dr Yassin,
> >
> > The review report on 2000 evaluations are here
> > http://archive.icann.org/en/tlds/report/
> >
> > The gTLDs approved during the 2000 round are: *.aero .biz .coop .info
> > .museum .name .pro.*The gTLDs approved during the 2004 round are
> > *.asia .cat .jobs .mobi .tel .travel* You can find additional
> > information about these previous application rounds at
> > http://www.icann.org/tlds/app-index.htm
> > <http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/app-index.htm> (2000) and
> > http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/
> > <http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/> (2003-4).
> >
> > I was the chair of the GA of the DNSO from 1999 and later ICANN
> > director from 2000-2003
> >
> > Nii
>
> Nii,
>
> If I recall (things are coming back to me) you helped with some of the
> opposition stuff - I seem to recall some kind of informal stuff - but
> hey - as we've been working on this for over 10 years, my memory gets a
> bit hazy with who did what when.
>
> regards
>
> --Calvin
>
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