[AfrICANN-discuss] Ombudsman asks DCA to simmer down after .africa conflict of interest complaint

[Nigel Roberts]

Not oops! I KNOW Uniforum is not a trust. That's exactly the point I was 
making.

So its ownership, and its nonprofit nature are all public. Anything I 
wanted to know, I could look up on the official register. (Actually, if 
I cared I'd probably just ask my goddaughter's father, but that's not 
the point).

A trust however, has trustees appointed by a trust deed (express trusts) 
or by operation of law (implied or constructive trusts)

So please answer my questions ** which are about the DCA Trust **
.
>>     Who are the trustees?
>>     What is the proper law of the trust?
>>     Who are the beneficial owners?

Transparency requires it.




On 21/12/12 14:22, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
> Thank you Nigel, but will you please read and analyse before jumping in
> like that? Oops!
> Of course, Uniforum is not a Trust -
> Seasons greetings
> Yassin
>
> On 21 December 2012 14:11, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net
> <mailto:nigel at channelisles.net>> wrote:
>
>     Uniforum is not a trust.
>
>     Its corporate ownership is a matter of public record under the law
>     of the Republic of South Africa and can be looked up on the public
>     record.
>
>     Trusts are not "in the public domain". In fact in my jurisdiction,
>     trusts are marketed precisely because of their secrecy.
>
>     So, please, the following questions arise, in line with ICANN
>     Transparency Principles ..
>
>     Who are the trustees?
>     What is the proper law of the trust?
>     Who are the beneficial owners?
>
>     These questions must be answered, and in public, as otherwise DCA
>     Trust will autotmatically fail in its bid due to ICANN's
>     requirements to do due diligence on crime, terrorism and
>     moneylaundering.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     On 21/12/12 14:03, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>
>         Hi Calvin. It seems that you want to gossip..? in that case may
>         I ask
>         you, "Who is the beneficiary of Uniforum and who applied for
>         .africa?
>
>         In addition who is the 'community' you refer to who want to know
>         about
>         the beneficiaries of DCA Trust which is not-for-profit?  Is or
>         when did
>         the DCA Trust get out of the 'community' or maybe it is only
>         individual
>         perceptions....maybe?
>
>         That is the kind of small talk I do not wish to engage in often
>         since
>         there information is in public domain and I would not like to
>         put my own
>         words in explaining.
>         Seasons Greetings
>         Yassin
>
>         On 21 December 2012 05:11, Calvin Browne
>         <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>
>         <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.__alt.za
>         <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>>> wrote:
>
>              On 21/12/2012 00:27, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>
>                  <SNIP>
>
>
>                  The DCA Trust is not only for .africa gTLD Application
>         as it
>                  seems to be deemed -  there have been other
>           undertakings by DCA
>                  that are being overlooked.
>                  <SNIP>
>
>
>              Please share the trust deeds with the community so that the
>              community can see exactly who the beneficiaries of the
>         trust are.
>
>              Sincerely
>
>              --Calvin Browne
>
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