[AfrICANN-discuss] IPv6 and ITRs
chii ngek
chii_ngek at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 10 13:22:23 SAST 2012
Hi
Congratulations to AfriNIC IPv6 team and especially Mukom who I believe Sky is not yet his limit. I am proud of you, we are proud of you and more especially I believe that God is proud of you.
Concerning the foregoing discusion on the ITRs, I think the present scenario of the internet is working perfectly well and excellent. The issue here is not who controls it but we need it to be open in all its sense. In Africa whether we do like the Chinese did and are still doing or not we need to create contents that suits us, develop IXPs which is our own contribution to the same goal of open access and all what it entails.
Again, Chapters and members of ISOC might understand the issues of ITRs so well but the gov't officials might not understand it and subsequently vote anything before realising that only after some years the open development and access of the internet has been jeopardized. It is our place to sensitize them and explain to their understanding the merits and demerits of the decisions they will be taking. The working groups that has been created for this purpose should be given wide publicity and stakeholders that matter in all domains touched by ITRs be invited.
CHII
ISOC Cameroon
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> 3. Re: ITU to control Internet? (Maina
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> 5. Re: ITU to control Internet?
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:33:13 -0700
> From: SM <sm at resistor.net>
> Subject: RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] ITU to control
> Internet?
> To: ndonnang at isoc-cameroon.org
> Cc: africann at afrinic.net
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> Hi Victor,
> At 06:48 09-08-2012, Victor Ndonnang wrote:
> >Ps. For your information, find attached the ITRs
> document with proposed
> >modifications.
>
> Thanks for posting the document. This proposed
> modification is interesting:
>
> "3.5 b) Member states shall, if they so
> elect, be able to control
> all naming,
> numbering, addressing and identification
> resources used within their
> territories for international
> telecommunications/ICTs."
>
> The following may be related to "cybercrime":
>
> "6.11 The ITU Standardization Sector shall
> be responsible for disseminating
> the regulatory frameworks in place in
> administrations having an impact on
> matters related to fraud."
>
> Regards,
> -sm
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:33:28 +0000
> From: Maye diop <mayediop at gmail.com>
> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: [afripv6-discuss] TR:
> [AfriNIC-announce] AFRINIC training
> programme achieves IPv6 Forum Gold
> Certification
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> Congratulations to AfriNIC IPv6 team.
> Best Regards,
>
> 2012/8/9 Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz>
>
> > Congratulations Mukom ! We are so proud of you !****
> >
> > All the best.****
> >
> > Victor Ndonnang****
> >
> > ISOC Cameroon Chapter****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *De :* announce-bounces at afrinic.net
> [mailto:announce-bounces at afrinic.net]
> > *De la part de* George Nyabuga
> > *Envoyé :* jeudi 9 août 2012 13:19
> > *À :* announce at afrinic.net;
> members-contact at afrinic.net
> > *Objet :* [AfriNIC-announce] AFRINIC training programme
> achieves IPv6
> > Forum Gold Certification****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Dear colleagues,****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > AFRINIC has had its training programme recognised and
> certified by IPv6
> > Forum with IPv6 Certified (Gold) Course certification.
> Henceforth,
> > participants to our trainings can now have additional
> assurance that they
> > are attending training that is designed according to
> current international
> > standards and best practices. We are working on
> implementing a testing
> > platform to award participants who pass the test IPv6
> Forum Certified
> > Engineer status. ****
> >
> > In addition, AFRINIC’s Training Manager and lead
> trainer, Mukom Akong
> > Tamon is now an IPv6 Forum Certified (Gold)
> Trainer.****
> >
> > AFRINIC currently offers numerous trainings on IPv6
> targeting network
> > engineers, systems administrators and managers.****
> >
> > AFRINIC is also pleased to announce the launch of its
> training website
> > learn.afrinic.net which is the go-to site for all
> information and
> > resources related to AFRINIC training. From now on, we
> intend to use the
> > website, as well as the tweeter handles
> @AFRINICTraining, to engage and
> > interact with our community on training.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Regards,****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Dr George Nyabuga
>
>
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> From: Maina Noah <mainanoa at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] ITU to control Internet?
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> On 9 August 2012 11:49, Adamou Nacer <adamou.nacer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't agree with these new proposals. But Internet is
> US-centric and I
> > feel this is an issue of the same nature to what is
> propoed. So I asked two
> > questions:
> > - is there an African common position on this
> discussion?
> >
>
> None that i am certain off.
>
>
> > - Is this US-centric model not a concern for Africa?
> >
> >
>
> The INTERNET shall remain more US-Centric is we don't as
> stakeholder don't
> grow our own Internet. Which is why the promotion of IXP's
> is significant
> across the continent.
>
> The Chinese in the past couple of years started growing
> their own Internet
> and stats indicate that even on the social network seen,
> they don't care
> about facebook and Google has struggled to set a foot-print
> in
> china-mainland with only the exception of the obvious
> HoghKong.
>
> I say stop worrying about the US and its politics and lets
> work on building
> our own INTERNET in Africa and each sovereign country and
> even if tomorrow
> Google closes shop, you can still continue with business
> locally.
>
> Promote IXP's build the local and African INTERNET but do
> business the rest
> of the world where need be.
>
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> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:32:50 +0100
> From: Adamou Nacer <adamou.nacer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] ITU to control
> Internet?
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> Thx for your answers!
> Regards
>
> Le 09/08/2012 13:10, SM a écrit :
> > Hi Adamou,
> > At 01:49 09-08-2012, Adamou Nacer wrote:
> >> The US president signed an executive order on July
> 6 that autorizes
> >> him to take control off all national medias,
> including Internet. I
> >> didn't read the executive order myself, but my
> source (see [2] in
> >> french) give some ideas on what can be
> operationnally an "Internet
> >> control":
> >> - control of ISP and content providers like google
> or facebook to
> >> name a few,
> >> - control of root servers (as far as I know, 3/4 of
> root servers are
> >> hosted in US) and the master root server.
> >
> > Thanks for the explanation.
> >
> >> It means to push for "ITU to take Internet
> governance away from the
> >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> (ICANN) and other
> >> organizations" and to change "International
> Telecommunication
> >> Regulations" to regulate Internet instead of its
> "open,
> >> consensus-based, multistakeholder model for
> standards setting and
> >> Internet policy development" [3].
> >
> > The press release from ISOC mentions that:
> >
> > "The Board noted that the success of the Internet
> has been driven by
> > open,
> > consensus-based standards processes
> embodied in organizations such
> > as the
> > Internet Engineering Task Force"
> >
> > There is no mention of Internet Corporation for
> Assigned Names and
> > Numbers in it. The only reference to names and
> numbers would be
> > "Adversely impact Internet naming, numbering, and
> addressing". The
> > press release does not provide any further details.
> >
> >> I don't agree with these new proposals. But
> Internet is US-centric
> >> and I feel this is an issue of the same nature to
> what is propoed. So
> >> I asked two questions:
> >> - is there an African common position on this
> discussion?
> >
> > The countries from Africa which have sent comments
> about the ITRs are
> > Egypt and Ivory Coast. There has been some open
> discussion about the
> > proposed changes in the European region. I
> haven't seen any comments
> > about an African common position.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -sm
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:52:14 +0100
> From: Adamou Nacer <adamou.nacer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] ITU to control
> Internet?
> To: africann at afrinic.net
> Message-ID: <5024BDAE.5080802 at gmail.com>
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>
> Thank you for this information! I will carefully read them
> to have a
> deep understanding of what is going on.
> Regards
>
> Le 09/08/2012 14:19, Ntoko, Alexander a écrit :
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > As a follow-up to my previous posting on this
> topic, please find
> > below an extract of the speech (in quotes and between
> the dotted
> > lines) delivered by ITU Secretary-General, Dr.
> Hamadoun I. Touré at
> > the opening of the 2012 Session of ITU Council in July.
> The entire
> > speech can be found online at*:
> > *http://www.itu.int/en/osg/speeches/Pages/2012-07-04.aspx
> >
> > This speech addresses some of the misinformation about
> ITU and the
> > WCIT-12.
> >
> >
> *--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> >
> > */"WCIT/*//
> >
> > /
> > Immediately after the WTSA, also in Dubai, we have the
> World
> > Conference on International Telecommunications,
> WCIT-12./
> >
> > /
> > This is the first event of its kind since the
> conference in Melbourne
> > in 1988 which produced the current International
> Telecommunication
> > Regulations, the ITRs./
> >
> > /
> > As you will know, the Council Working Group on WCIT has
> led the
> > preparatory process for this landmark conference, and
> has just
> > concluded its last meeting, here in Geneva./
> >
> > /
> > I would like to take this opportunity to set the record
> straight on a
> > number of important issues which have found their way
> into various
> > realms of the public domain over the past few months.
> /
> >
> > /
> > I am grateful for the public awareness surrounding
> these issues as it
> > has given me an opportunity to clarify the plain facts
> and the
> > potential benefits we can hope to achieve through the
> WCIT event./
> >
> > /
> > Firstly, as I have said at other recent meetings, WCIT
> will be the
> > catalyst for the free flow of information./
> >
> > /
> > As you know, in Article 33 of the ITU's Constitution,
> Member States
> > recognize the right of the public to correspond by
> means of the
> > international service of public correspondence./
> >
> > /
> > And the ITRs cannot contradict that provision./
> >
> > /
> > It is true nonetheless that most countries have
> measures in place to
> > protect copyright owners, for example, and to prevent
> defamation. Such
> > measures are of course permitted by Article 34 of the
> ITU's Constitution./
> >
> > /
> > And the ITRs cannot contradict that, either./
> >
> > /
> > WCIT, therefore, will facilitate the free flow of
> information./
> >
> > /
> > There have also been a number of accounts stating that
> there is some
> > sort of barrier, conflict or even war between
> telecommunications and
> > the Internet./
> >
> > /
> > In the converged world of the 21st century, this is
> plainly
> > ridiculous. Who today can tell me the difference, in
> terms of traffic
> > passing across networks, between voice, video, and
> data?/
> >
> > /
> > So the real issue in front of us is how best to
> cooperate -- to ensure:/
> >
> > */The free flow of information;/
> >
> > */The continued development of broadband;/
> >
> > */Continuing investment in networks, services and
> applications;/
> >
> > */And perhaps most importantly -- in this very
> fast-moving world --
> > continuing innovation./
> >
> > /
> > I cannot imagine anyone who would disagree that the
> benefits of ICTs
> > should be brought to all citizens of the world./
> >
> > /
> > And indeed the Council Working Group on WCIT concluded
> on this same
> > positive note, with all our members' agreement that we
> all want to see
> > the further development of telecommunications./
> >
> > /
> > So the question before WCIT is therefore how best can
> the ITRs be
> > adapted to facilitate the achievement of that goal./
> >
> > /
> > Ladies and gentlemen,/
> >
> > /
> > It has come as a surprise -- and I have to say a great
> disappointment
> > -- to see that some of those who have had access to
> WCIT proposals
> > have chosen to publicly mis-state or distort them in
> public forums and
> > to journalists; sometimes to the point of caricature./
> >
> > /These distortions and mis-statements could be found
> plausible by
> > credulous members of the public, and could even be used
> to influence
> > national parliaments, given that the documents
> themselves are not
> > officially available -- in spite of recent
> developments, including the
> > leaking of Document TD 64./
> >
> > /
> > I can confirm that a group of civil society
> organizations has written
> > to me to request public access to the proposals under
> discussion, and
> > I would therefore ask Council to consider granting open
> access to
> > these documents, and in particular future versions of
> TD 64./
> >
> > /
> > I would also ask Council to agree to the holding of an
> open
> > consultation regarding the ITRs, accessible to all
> stakeholders
> > worldwide./
> >
> > /
> > Most of us were not involved in the preparations for
> the 1988
> > conference in Melbourne. But the historical record
> shows that many of
> > the fears, concerns, and criticisms surrounding WCIT
> also appeared in
> > 1988./
> >
> > /
> > As we know, those fears and concerns were unwarranted:
> the 1988
> > Melbourne conference created the framework that enabled
> the
> > spectacular growth of telecommunications -- including
> the Internet --
> > over the past 24 years./
> >
> > /
> > As we know, 1988 set the stage for the information
> society. /
> >
> > /
> > And I am absolutely convinced that 2012 will set the
> stage for the
> > knowledge society."/
> >
> >
> /--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/
> >
> > /Alexander NTOKO/
> >
> > /Chief, Operations and Planning Department/
> >
> > /Telecommunication Standardization Bureau (TSB)/
> >
> > /International Telecommunication Union (ITU)/
> >
> > /Place des Nations, CH-1211/
> >
> > /Geneva, Switzerland/
> >
> > /Email: alexander.ntoko at itu.int/
> >
> > *From:*africann-bounces at afrinic.net
>
> > [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net]
> *On Behalf Of *Ntoko, Alexander
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2012 2:18 PM
> > *To:* africann at afrinic.net
> > *Subject:* RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] ITU to control
> Internet?
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > There is a lot of misinformation about ITU, the World
> Conference on
> > International Telecommunications (WCIT-12) and the
> International
> > Telecommunication Regulations (ITRs).
> >
> > Some of this misinformation is due to ignorance on the
> part of the
> > authors of these articles while others are simply due
> to hidden
> > agendas of the authors.
> >
> > Whatever the case, it is important to have some basic
> information
> > about ITU, WCIT and the ITRs so that you know what to
> expect at WCIT
> > in Dubai in December 2012.
> >
> > To start, I would suggest that you visit
> > http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/WCIT-backgroundbriefs.aspx
> for
> > background information about WCIT and the ITRs.
> >
> > For those of you interested in some of what has been
> published by the
> > press, you can visit http://www.scoop.it/t/wcit-12
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > /Alexander NTOKO/
> >
> > /Chief, Operations and Planning Department/
> >
> > /Telecommunication Standardization Bureau (TSB)/
> >
> > /International Telecommunication Union (ITU)/
> >
> > /Place des Nations, CH-1211/
> >
> > /Geneva, Switzerland/
> >
> > /Email: //alexander.ntoko at itu.int/
> <mailto:alexander.ntoko at itu.int>
> >
> > /Web: //http://www.itu.int/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: africann-bounces at afrinic.net
>
> > <mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net>
>
> > [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net]
> On Behalf Of SM
> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 2:01 AM
> > To: Y Mshana2003; africann at afrinic.net
> <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] ITU to control
> Internet?
> >
> > Hi Yassin,
> >
> > At 15:53 08-08-2012, Y Mshana2003 wrote:
> >
> > >That raises a point for Negotiation not a point to
> Claim through any channels.
> >
> > The "ITU to control the Internet" is far from
> clear. I don't
> > understand what the negotiation is about as I could not
> find any
> > explanation about what is being controlled.
> >
> > Is it something to do with what web sites users can go
> to? Is that
> > what the ITU wants to control? How does the ITU
> propose to control that?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -sm
> >
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