[SPAM] Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with African ccTLDs

Tue Nov 22 21:10:51 SAST 2011

Well well well, Now I is obvious that a basic rule as been broken here.....

One should not use the Terminology which is not clear to the public or
target group - English saying or humor have their place not in such forum
please - plain language is preferred = damage control? NO!

A sexist remark has been directed to the Director therefore an apology is
the least one should consider giving not to argue about language etc
etc..It is waste of everybody's time I think.

In my opinion, I see it inappropriate to use such a language (shop talk) in
a profession space such as this.

Someones conduct in public is important. ...Trust can easily be broken and
respect goes down with it.

Let DCA move on please...I for one is ready to continue with the support to
the Yes Campaign.

Kind regards

Yassin

On 22 November 2011 08:53, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

>
> Lerato
>
> I will not be Drawn into personal battles.  You need to read my email
> again with regard the issues and not personality.  Life has taught me that
> no one individual can be bigger than the institution.  (I think the English
> call it having a "chip on your shoulder" forget the personal issues and
> stick to the issues only)
>
> Rest of my comments in line.
>
>
>
>
> On 22 Nov 2011, at 01:52, Lerato Mamboleo <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Badru,
>
> First, we think the innuendo to “beauty contest” is a very sexist remark
> which was meant to show disrespect to the person of the spearhead of the
> Yes2dotAfrica campaign.  It is very disturbing that even the slightest
> discussion about DCA and DotAfrica can no longer be conducted in a
> civilized way, without it becoming personal.
>
>
> The term "beauty contest" is often used in business when we go into
> bidding which Basicaly means the firm that has the best all round solution
> wins.  As per my earlier email it was not aimed at any individual.
>
> For your information I have met the individual you seem to think I refer
> to here and we might have differences in views but I have a level of
> respect.
>
> Let me ask that as long as you are reading my emails please remove the
> personality cloud that seems to be derailing our discussions.  What we are
> debating is not for personal gain but for the community.
>
>
>  Therefore, for this very unnecessary allusion to ‘beauty contest’ that
> was done in bad taste to reflect the gender of the DCA Executive Director,
> we demand an immediate and unreserved apology, and a retraction of the
> offensive sexist statement.  She is a very well educated, articulate and
> very capable woman, and we think such sexist remarks have been deliberately
> made to reduce from her important accomplishments regarding the DotAfrica
> initiative, which that she has led successfully over the last few years. We
> think it is also ‘cultural’ in Africa to show respect for women, and not to
> see them only from the perspective of ‘physical beauty’. We must add that
> such thinking and objectification of women is very retrogressive.w
>
>
> The apology might be that you seem to personalize issues.  Please take
> time and read my email in full.  Its paragraphs like the above that seem to
> take us back to this diversion.  The leadership of DCA could be anyone but
> if the facts and aims are divergent as they are to me now I would have
> written the same text.
>
> Please spend some more time in the active community where we have done
> allot of gender work and you would not be going off tangent like that. ( I
> say that not as an insult but a figure of speech).
>
>
>
>
> Having clearly expressed the above, we wish to now clarify that DCA is *not
> looking to capitalize on anything regarding its plans for DotAfrica.* The current ICANN gTLD programme to expand the Internet DNS to encompass
> new geographical TLDs like DotAfrica is NEW and DCA has done its level best
> to campaign and actively promote it, and involve key stakeholders, and in
> the process managed to win key supportive endorsements for the initiative
> it proposed.
>
>
> From a technical point and communications point this is visible but does
> not mean it is the right strategy and I think as an individual I have a
> right to hold a different view.
>
>
> In spite of this, DCA has unfortunately suffered alienation and
> victimization at the hands of the so called "leaders" of ‘community’, and
> the relationship so far has been typified by, at best, indifference to the
> positive works of DCA, and at worst acrimony; that is, as you have rightly
> admitted, “the history of acrimony” which has manifested itself as the open
> hostility displayed towards DCA.  Even now, DCA is being antagonized simply
> because it received a positive press coverage which its detractors have
> tried to detract from, by turning the discussion into a series of personal
> attacks on the spearhead of the Yes2DotAfrica campaign.
>
>
> In one of my emails I pointed to understanding the complex geopolitical
> landscape that we have on this continent and the need to embrace it as
> opposed to fighting it.  This means investing in the grass roots but also
> learning from and with those who came before.   You refer to African
> culture earlier in this email.  Culture tells us exactly that but to date
> DCA seems not to value that. And again I might be wrong or I have not seen
> evidence.
>
>
> As you have already noted that “DCA might have a good strategy on paper,
> and might be able to lobby and mobilize well”, it is therefore important
> that we all recognize that DCA has also made very important contributions
> in building a larger ‘constituency’ to support the DotAfrica initiative
> both at the continental and global levels.
>
> Therefore, DCA’s *real intention* is to contribute to the continent based
> on its DotAfrica initiative.  On the other hand, the African Internet
> Community has engaged in “training and positive sensitization” in the past,
> the point is that such training and sensitization was not related directly
> to DotAfrica, the topical issue of the moment.
>
>
> I'm always willing to be educated and would like clarification how
> training by the different Af* initiatives does not relate here.
>
>
> DCA has always wanted cooperation with the community, but our experience
> so far reveals a deliberate strategy that aims to constantly undermine our
> efforts.  You talk of dialogue and combining forces for an “inclusive
> African solution”, but where is the trust? How can trust be established in
> the present circumstances?
>
>
> Trust is earned not given.  And they have been a number of issues where
> the little trust that DCA had earned was quickly eroded by subsequent
> activity and we just need to learn from those incidents.
>
>
> We all know that DotAfrica is a geographic TLD, but the community wants it
> to be operated for its benefit as a community TLD.  Thus there is already a
> clear difference in vision, and we recognize this as a huge impediment that
> cannot be transcended at this point.
>
>
> Yes it's a global TLD but the benefits/proceeds should all be ploughed
> back in the community.
> That is what is called community benefit.
>
>
> Therefore, we believe that a good starting point for honest dialogue is
> for the ‘community’ to first of all recognize, and accept DCA’s prior
> endorsement for the DotAfrica gTLD that was obtained from the African
> Union. In our estimation, this would help restore trust between and amongst
> us to enable the commencement of the fruitful dialogue that would form the
> basis of the cooperation that you believe is possible.
>
>
> Pre conditions in negotiations have never worked.  I would see this as a
> show stopper. (my personal view)
>
>
> However, if the leaders of the ‘community’ refuse to openly acknowledge
> DCA’s prior AU Commission endorsement for DotAfrica,   DCA will continue
> with its initiative independent of the community, since DCA’s aims in terms
> of its mission and purpose for the DotAfrica gTLD is quite different from
> the aims of the community regarding DotAfrica, since DCA’s outreach efforts
> are to a larger Pan-African constituency.
>
>
> I think my views on this are clear.
>
>
> Finally, DCA hereby reiterates that it is simply committed to the ICANN
> new gTLD programme and would abide by its stipulations and other conditions
> and instructions enshrined in the Applicant’s Guidebook.  Therefore, to
> those who have expressed a wish to know about DCA’s corporate information,
> even though we believe that the request by one who is openly adversarial to
> DCA is simply fueled by a frivolous and malevolent desire, we would like to
> inform such persons that all necessary information and data will be
> submitted with our DotAfrica gTLD application at the appropriate time to
> ICANN as the only authorized body to perform administrative and other
> background checks on every application.  Let ICANN evaluate DCA’s
> eligibility and suitability or otherwise to apply successfully for the
> operation of the DotAfrica gTLD and the registry, and DCA will accept the
> outcome of that globally-approved governance process that will determine
> whether the new DotAfrica gTLD will be delegated or not delegated.
>
>
> I get totally confused. On one hand you are open to dialogue on the other
> you are committed to a strategy that you will take regardless.
>
>
> I rest my case still urging sticking to the issues
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> *To:* "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
> *Cc:* "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with
> African ccTLDs
>
>
>
>
> On 20 Nov 2011, at 20:16, Dr Yassin Mshana < <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
> ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That is a good move - DCA to work with African partners!!.
> >
> > My small question after several months of rumble but no rain is that,
> > "where was everybody since 2004?" -  Now that when DCA and supporters
> > is about to take the lead in .africa it has suddenly become a big
> > issue" - Even drawing Hon Ministers into the middle of it all.
>
> Many people have been building the capacity and sustainability that DCA is
> looking to capitalize on now.  Its not just a beauty contest its a case of
> what substantial contribution have you done for the community.  Let's not
> forget that a good foundation is very important for long time
> sustainability.  I think if you go back since 2004 and compare how much
> training and positive sensitization both parties have done we can start on
> some positive discussions.
>
> After all is done we want an inclusive african solution. We already have a
> number of them to show with over 10 years of Positively working on the
> continent.  I do not see why we are now trying to re-invent the wheel.  Yes
> DCA might have a good strategy on paper and might be able to lobby and
> mobilize well, but what else ?
>
> For the sake of the community, we need to have some humility.
>
> I do think there could be room for compromise if the real intention of DCA
> is to contribute to the continent in a way others have to date.
>
> Let's dialogue this is not a simple commercial deal but if done well could
> have a fundamental positive impact on our continent.  Give the community
> some respect and put the pure facts on the table, forget the semantics,
> forget who said what when, lets look at who is capable to take us where we
> want to go and the evidence that they will be able to do that.  But also
> the value of  either combining forces for an eventual single solution which
> I hope is not too late due to the history of acrimony.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > One wonders what is the role of GAC if  Africans draw Hon Ministers
> > into the middle of ICANN Process. That kind if discussion would have
> > been done at Home and come into the meeting with a    well defined
> > Agenda - not 'start cooking with the chief guests'
> >
> > Enough has been said before the ICANN-42...... why kick the dust now?
> >
> > That is to politely ask fellows ad friends to be strategic and
> > professional - not to put sand into the flour.....
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Yassin
> >
> >
> > On 19/11/2011, McTim < <dogwallah at gmail.com>dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> <http://www.africasciencenews.org/en/index.php/technology/45-hitech/217-dca-expresses-commitment-to-work-with-african-cctlds>
> http://www.africasciencenews.org/en/index.php/technology/45-hitech/217-dca-expresses-commitment-to-work-with-african-cctlds
> >>
> >>
> >> So the strategy seems to be to split ccTLDs as many ccTLDs from AfTLD
> >> who are also making a competing bid for .africa. ??
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >> McTim
> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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