[AfrICANN-discuss] [SPAM] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 57, Issue 24

Tue Nov 22 11:25:48 SAST 2011

Vika  and All

I think the community has an opportunity to influence the direction and also get the solution it deserves.  We have to begin directing the discussions to actual issues. 

My email was totally misunderstood, and it the responsibility of the community at large to make sure we de-personalize the debate.

The AU decision should be informed by the community and so the community needs to take an active role in the dialogue.  This process is not easy as we can see some of the misunderstandings coming out however we have to all work together.

Regards

Badru Ntege
CEO 
NFT Consult Ltd 
Www.Nftconsult.com

“Vision without execution is hallucination.” 
― Thomas A. Edison

On 22 Nov 2011, at 11:20, "Vika Mpisane" <vika at zadna.org.za> wrote:

> Mr. Ochanji, I suppose your attitude & response is mature & calm, although I suppose it’s directed more to DCA personnel than the rest of us. Regardless, I find it impressive of you to rebuke the reactionary attitude that some of the posts show. After all, it won’t be the views for or against the “beauty contest” that will prevail – instead it will be the bidder that the AUC & ICANN will choose.
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> Regards,
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> Vika Mpisane
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> Chairman: AfTLD
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> +27 11 275 0082
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> From: africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of samuel ochanji
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> Not sure if this helps us, we should reserve our comments or say very little. If I look at the ARC or AFTLD people, they just watch this silently. They watch everything we do but say very little. These people in the mailinglist have nothing to lose in the .africa application. They talk and talk. We have much to lose; if they keep baiting us and we take the bait, it doesn't help DCA cause. We should stay above the fray in their little chit chats. My humble opinion.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:08:40 +0000
> From: Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Internet : revue du web du 21 Novembre
>     2011
> To: <africann at afrinic.net>
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> NOM DE DOMAINE
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> .CO.UK : des noms de domaine pour 10 ans !
> http://www.domainesinfo.fr/extension/2414/grande-bretagne-co-uk-des-noms-de-domaine-pour-10-ans.php
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> 
> Une coalition de sites pornographiques s'attaque au .XXX et à l'Icann
> http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2011/11/18/une-coalition-de-sites-pornographiques-s-attaque-au-xxx-et-a-l-icann_1605889_651865.html
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> 
> IPv6
> 
> Un recensement sur Internet indique que l'adoption d'IPv6 affiche une croissance de 1900 %
> http://bourse.lci.fr/bourse-en-ligne.hts?urlAction=bourse-en-ligne.hts&idnews=BNW111121_00005660&numligne=0&date=111121
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> 
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> CYBERCRIMINALITE
> 
> Europe : dix ans de lutte contre la cybercriminalité
> http://www.lepoint.fr/high-tech-internet/europe-dix-ans-de-lutte-contre-la-cybercriminalite-21-11-2011-1398455_47.php
> 
> 
> De la Cybersécurité à la Cyberstratégie – Leçon inaugurale de la chaire Castex
> http://www.dsi-presse.com/?p=3669
> 
> 
> Aux Etats-Unis, cyberattaque contre une station de pompage d'eau
> http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2011/11/21/aux-etats-unis-cyberattaque-contre-une-station-de-pompage-d-eau_1606821_651865.html
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> 
> 
> INTERNET AFRIQUE
> 
> L'Afrique, nouvelle terre promise des télécoms
> http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-secteurs/tech-medias/actu/0201752651682-l-afrique-nouvelle-terre-promise-des-telecoms-251418.php
> 
> 
> Cote d'Ivoire: Atterrissement d'un câble sous-marin haut débit à Abidjan / André Apété (directeur de cabinet du ministère de la poste) - « c'est un grand exploit pour le pays »
> http://fr.allafrica.com/stories/201111211716.html
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> 
> Marc Rennard  : « L'Europe pourrait apprendre des solutions innovantes qui sont inventées en Afrique »
> http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-secteurs/tech-medias/interview/0201741767445-marc-rennard-l-europe-pourrait-apprendre-des-solutions-innovantes-qui-sont-inventees-en-afrique-251415.php
> 
> 
> L’impact du large bande sur le développement en Afrique 
> http://www.agenceecofin.com/avis-d-expert-informatique/2011-2225-l-impact-du-large-bande-sur-le-developpement-en-afrique
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> 
> L’Afrique se met à l’e-gouvernement 
> http://www.agenceecofin.com/gestion-publique/2011-2224-l-afrique-se-met-a-l-e-gouvernement
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> 
> 
> AUTRES INFORMATIONS
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> La Russsie numéro un europeen en nombre d'internaute
> http://www.latribune.fr/technos-medias/internet/20111121trib000665572/la-russie-numero-un-europeen-en-nombre-d-internautes.html
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> LE SATELLITE SES-4 ARRIVE SUR LA BASE DE LANCEMENT DE BAÏKONOUR 
> http://bourse.lci.fr/bourse-en-ligne.hts?urlAction=bourse-en-ligne.hts&idnews=BNW111121_00006034&numligne=0&date=111121
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> From: Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Internet : web review of November 21, 2011
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> DOMAIN NAME
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> Arabic domain name for Oman from Q1 '12
> http://www.muscatdaily.com/Archive/Business/Arabic-domain-name-for-Oman-from-Q1-12
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> European Parliament Opposed to Domain Name Blocking
> http://infojustice.org/archives/6202
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> European Parliament joins criticism of SOPA
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?newsid=3319621&pagtype=allchandate
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> One of the Most Valuable Domain Names on the Internet Hits the Market
> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/one-of-the-most-valuable-domain-names-on-the-internet-hits-the-market-134226243.html
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> EuroDNS Announces Launch of Domain Marketplace
> http://www.webhosting.info/news/1/eurodns-announces-launch-of-domain-marketplace_1121119258.htm
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> Porn sites sue internet regulator over .xxx web address
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15816630
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> IPv6
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> Internet Census Finds that IPv6 Adoption Grows by 1,900%
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/internet-census-finds-that-ipv6-adoption-grows-by-1900-2011-11-21
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> Go Daddy's IPv6 adoption caused a 1900% jump in subdomain compatibility
> http://betanews.com/2011/11/21/go-daddys-ipv6-adoption-caused-a-1900-jump-in-subdomain-compatibility/
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> Hurricane Electric and NIX.CZ Partner to Launch IPv6 Certification Program in Czech
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hurricane-electric-and-nixcz-partner-to-launch-ipv6-certification-program-in-czech-2011-11-21
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> 
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> CYBERCRIME
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> Anonymous exposes cybercrime investigator's Gmail, voicemail
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/anonymous-exposes-cybercrime-investigators-gmail-voicemail.ars
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> Cyber criminals to target mobile devices and London Olympics in 2012: M86
> http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/408045/cyber_criminals_target_mobile_devices_london_olympics_2012_m86/?fp=4&fpid=1382389953
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> Despite controversy, cybercrime treaty endures
> http://www.cio.com.au/article/408124/despite_controversy_cybercrime_treaty_endures/?fp=4&fpid=18
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> Will 2012 REALLY be the year of the cyberwar?
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222064/Will_2012_REALLY_be_the_year_of_the_cyberwar_
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> Hackers Hit Public Water System, Feds Investigate
> http://www.mobiledia.com/news/117299.html
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> The 25 Worst Passwords on the Internet
> http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2011/11/the-25-worst-passwords-on-the-internet/
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> INTERNET AFRICA
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> Africa: The road to m-government
> http://www.telecoms.com/36988/africa-the-road-to-m-government/
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> Africa: The Cost of Diesel for Africa's Mobile Operators - 2012 May Be the Year That This Bird Comes Home to Roost
> http://allafrica.com/stories/201111211643.html
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> 
> South Africa: Large Organisations Are Moving to Cloud for IT Services
> http://allafrica.com/stories/201111211234.html
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> 
> Nigeria: The ICT Revolution in the Country - Closing the Gaps
> http://allafrica.com/stories/201111210916.html
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> 
> 
> OTHER INFPRMATIONS
> 
> India on Way to Topping US in Internet Users
> http://www.voanews.com/learningenglish/home/India-on-Way-to-Topping-US-in-Internet-Users-134206513.html
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> How the Internet Evolves to Overcome Censorship
> http://techland.time.com/2011/11/21/how-the-internet-evolves-to-overcome-censorship/                         
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> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:52:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lerato Mamboleo <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with
>     African    ccTLDs
> To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
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> Badru,
> 
> First, we think the innuendo to
> â€œbeauty contestâ€� is a very sexist remark which was meant to show disrespect to
> the person of the spearhead of the Yes2dotAfrica campaign. Â It is very disturbing that even the slightest discussion about DCA and DotAfrica
> can no longer be conducted in a civilized way, without it becoming personal. Â Therefore, for this very unnecessary allusion
> to â€˜beauty contestâ€™ that was done in bad taste to reflect the gender of the DCA
> Executive Director, we demand an immediate and unreserved apology, and a
> retraction of the offensive sexist statement. Â She is a very well educated, articulate and
> very capable woman, and we think such sexist remarks have been deliberately
> made to reduce from her important accomplishments regarding the DotAfrica
> initiative, which that she has led successfully over the last few years. We
> think it is also â€˜culturalâ€™ in Africa to show respect for women, and not to see
> them only from the perspective of â€˜physical beautyâ€™. We must add that such
> thinking and objectification of women is very retrogressive.
> 
> Having clearly expressed the
> above, we wish to now clarify that DCA is not looking to capitalize on anything
> regarding its plans for DotAfrica. Â The
> current ICANN gTLD programme to expand the Internet DNS to encompass new
> geographical TLDs like DotAfrica is NEW and DCA has done its level best to
> campaign and actively promote it, and involve key stakeholders, and in the process
> managed to win key supportive endorsements for the initiative it proposed. Â 
> 
> In spite of this, DCA has
> unfortunately suffered alienation and victimization at the hands of the so called "leaders" of â€˜communityâ€™, and the relationship so far has been typified by,
> at best, indifference to the positive works of DCA, and at worst acrimony; that
> is, as you have rightly admitted, â€œthe history of acrimonyâ€� which has
> manifested itself as the open hostility displayed towards DCA.Â  Even now, DCA is being antagonized simply
> because it received a positive press coverage which its detractors have tried to
> detract from, by turning the discussion into a series of personal attacks on the
> spearhead of the Yes2DotAfrica campaign.
> 
> As you have already noted that
> â€œDCA might have a good strategy on paper, and might be able to lobby and
> mobilize wellâ€�, it is therefore important that we all recognize that DCA has
> also made very important contributions in building a larger â€˜constituencyâ€™ to
> support the DotAfrica initiative both at the continental and global levels.Â 
> 
> Therefore,
> DCAâ€™s real intention is to contribute to the continent based on its DotAfrica
> initiative. Â On the other hand, the
> African Internet Community has engaged in â€œtraining and positive sensitizationâ€�
> in the past, the point is that such training and sensitization was not related
> directly to DotAfrica, the topical issue of the moment. 
> 
> DCA has always wanted cooperation
> with the community, but our experience so far reveals a deliberate strategy
> that aims to constantly undermine our efforts. Â You talk of dialogue and combining forces for
> an â€œinclusive African solutionâ€�, but where is the trust? How can trust be
> established in the present circumstances?
> 
> We all know that DotAfrica is a
> geographic TLD, but the community wants it to be operated for its benefit as a
> community TLD. Â Thus there is already a clear
> difference in vision, and we recognize this as a huge impediment that cannot be
> transcended at this point. 
> 
> Therefore, we believe that a good
> starting point for honest dialogue is for the â€˜communityâ€™ to first of all
> recognize, and accept DCAâ€™s prior endorsement for the DotAfrica gTLD that was
> obtained from the African Union. In our estimation, this would help restore
> trust between and amongst us to enable the commencement of the fruitful
> dialogue that would form the basis of the cooperation that you believe is
> possible.
> 
> However, if the leaders of the
> â€˜communityâ€™ refuse to openly acknowledge DCAâ€™s prior AU Commission endorsement
> for DotAfrica,Â Â  DCA will continue with
> its initiative independent of the community, since DCAâ€™s aims in terms of its
> mission and purpose for the DotAfrica gTLD is quite different from the aims of
> the community regarding DotAfrica, since DCAâ€™s outreach efforts are to a larger
> Pan-African constituency.
> 
> Finally, DCA hereby reiterates that it is
> simply committed to the ICANN new gTLD programme and would abide by its
> stipulations and other conditions and instructions enshrined in the Applicantâ€™s
> Guidebook. Â Therefore, to those who have
> expressed a wish to know about DCAâ€™s corporate information, even though we
> believe that the request by one who is openly adversarial to DCA is simply
> fueled by a frivolous and malevolent desire, we would like to inform such
> persons that all necessary information and data will be submitted with our
> DotAfrica gTLD application at the appropriate time to ICANN as the only
> authorized body to perform administrative and other background checks on every
> application.Â  Let ICANN evaluate DCAâ€™s
> eligibility and suitability or otherwise to apply successfully for the
> operation of the DotAfrica gTLD and the registry, and DCA will accept the
> outcome of that globally-approved governance process that will determine
> whether the new DotAfrica gTLD will be delegated or not delegated. 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net> 
> Cc: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net> 
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with African ccTLDs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2011, at 20:16, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > That is a good move - DCA to work with African partners!!.
> > 
> > My small question after several months of rumble but no rain is that,
> > "where was everybody since 2004?" -Â  Now that when DCA and supporters
> > is about to take the lead in .africa it has suddenly become a big
> > issue" - Even drawing Hon Ministers into the middle of it all.
> 
> Many people have been building the capacity and sustainability that DCA is looking to capitalize on now.Â  Its not just a beauty contest its a case of what substantial contribution have you done for the community.Â  Let's not forget that a good foundation is very important for long time sustainability.Â  I think if you go back since 2004 and compare how much training and positive sensitization both parties have done we can start on some positive discussions. 
> 
> After all is done we want an inclusive african solution. We already have a number of them to show with over 10 years of Positively working on the continent.Â  I do not see why we are now trying to re-invent the wheel.Â  Yes DCA might have a good strategy on paper and might be able to lobby and mobilize well, but what else ?
> 
> For the sake of the community, we need to have some humility.Â  
> 
> I do think there could be room for compromise if the real intention of DCA is to contribute to the continent in a way others have to date.Â  
> 
> Let's dialogue this is not a simple commercial deal but if done well could have a fundamental positive impact on our continent.Â  Give the community some respect and put the pure facts on the table, forget the semantics, forget who said what when, lets look at who is capable to take us where we want to go and the evidence that they will be able to do that.Â  But also the value ofÂ  either combining forces for an eventual single solution which I hope is not too late due to the history of acrimony.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > One wonders what is the role of GAC ifÂ  Africans draw Hon Ministers
> > into the middle of ICANN Process. That kind if discussion would have
> > been done at Home and come into the meeting with aÂ  Â  well defined
> > Agenda - not 'start cooking with the chief guests'
> > 
> > Enough has been said before the ICANN-42...... why kick the dust now?
> > 
> > That is to politely ask fellows ad friends to be strategic and
> > professional - not to put sand into the flour.....
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > 
> > Yassin
> > 
> > 
> > On 19/11/2011, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.africasciencenews.org/en/index.php/technology/45-hitech/217-dca-expresses-commitment-to-work-with-african-cctlds
> >> 
> >> 
> >> So the strategy seems to be to split ccTLDs as many ccTLDs from AfTLD
> >> who are also making a competing bid for .africa. ??
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >> 
> >> McTim
> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >> route indicates how we get there."Â  Jon Postel
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