[AfrICANN-discuss] A .com domain name increases a company's exposure to foreign lawsuits, rules ECJ

[Vika Mpisane]

You may have a point there, Alex, but I suspect we will need to wait much
longer before governments (govts) could agree on a sustainable solution. And
the wikileaks "phenomenon" may basically make it difficult for many govts to
agree on a US-driven solution, no matter how sound & sustainable the US
solution might be.

McTim,

Your point about a govt solution leading to limited online freedoms is very
valid, I must add. China is a good case on this one. Plus the ITU (no less)
is keen in using its govt power to exert more influence over the internet,
including the DNS. The worrying trend is that govts tend to want to control
everything and control stifles freedom. Probably, that's why the perceived
increasing US oversight over ICANN (including the recent shut-down of
certain websites) may eventually cause many to migrate to alternative DNSes
(e.g. peer-to-peer DNS)! 

This makes me feel a bit hopeless & to eventually conclude that it may be a
good thing to leave govts out of this....which of course won't happen.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:gakuru at gmail.com]
> Sent: 14 December 2010 12:52 PM
> To: africann at afrinic.net
> Cc: vika at zadna.org.za
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A .com domain name increases a company's
> exposure to foreign lawsuits, rules ECJ
> 
> I am of the opinion that the real problem is the adhoc-ness nature of
> the approach. apparently escapes confronting the real problem since so
> many "side-issues" crop up that distract and suck everyone up - all
> while the underlying, fundamental issues remain unsolved. Another way
> of looking at it is to question, 'who would lose if the fundamental
> problems were solved? Then again, maybe 'some problems are not meant
> to be solved'...
> 
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:41 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi vika, am not actually sure its a problem that needs solving. We
> > have been doing it on an ad hoc basis so far, and it has worked fairly
> > well (for some value of "fairly well". In any case, my main concern is
> > that governments will limit our online freedoms once they start
> > negotiating treaty text. Rgds, McTim
> >
> > On 12/14/10, Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za> wrote:
> >> That said, Alex, Badru & McTim, the problem still remains and at some
> point
> >> it will need to be solved. I know it's outside our hands and actually
it's
> >> in the hands of governments to sort it out. Plus I admit that Africa
> doesn't
> >> seem to have as much the usual easy way out of looking at Europe or the
US
> >> for solution, as the EU and US also are still struggling to find an
> >> effective solution because a solution will only be effective if most
> >> governments can commit to an international or regional treaty of some
> sort.
> >>
> >> Vika
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: McTim [mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: 14 December 2010 11:39 AM
> >>> To: africann at afrinic.net
> >>> Cc: vika at zadna.org.za
> >>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A .com domain name increases a
company's
> >>> exposure to foreign lawsuits, rules ECJ
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Badru Ntege (NFT)
> >>> <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
> >>> > Alex
> >>> >
> >>> > The challenge is who would lead this discussion and to what point do
we
> >>> make
> >>> > progress without falling into the debate of trying to capture / own
the
> >>> > internet.  I kind of see a protracted IGF like discussion with no
clear
> >>> end.
> >>>
> >>> Spot on Badru!
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> McTim
> >>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Sent from my mobile device
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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